Read only
First let me acknowledge that the "Read only" topic has been extensively discussed. However, a search on that phrase yields about ten thousand hits, and I don't have time to read all ten thousand items.
I have a great grandmother who was married to one of men in the first pioneer company to settle in Utah. Her record at FamilySesarch is marked "read only".
I have been doing family history research, and I have found that most of the information in her profile is undocumented, and much of it is either incomplete, questionable, contradictory, or wrong. For example, looking at various sources such as census records, ship passenger manifests, death record, etc., I see her age listed, but the problem is that in counting back from her listed ages on those documents the year of her birth could be anywhere between 1837 and 1842. Her birth place is listed at FamilySearch as a very specific place in Ireland, but in doing Google searches on that place names turn up nothing, as if the place does not even exist. The same goes for substrings of the place name, except for the county. And there is actually no documentation of even the county of her birth. The only thing that seems certain is that she was born in Ireland. In fact, I can find no Irish records that even reference this person in any way. All records that identify her birth place as Ireland are from places outside of Ireland, such as Scotland and the US. One source even lists her nationality (though not specifically her birth place) as English. Basically there is nothing that even comes close to a primary source for her birth information, or even a very good secondary source, and what information does exist is incomplete, does not contain the specific biographical information listed at FamilySearch and/or is contradictory.
Her birth information is not the only problem with her profile, but it is the most glaring one. For example, dates are given for ordinances, such as baptism, but no documentation is given to confirm that information.
This situation presents at least two problems. First of all, I don't know where I might go to find information that can either confirm the information or correct the information that is listed at FamilySearch, and possibly more important, it seems impossible to bring up these issues at her profile at FamilySearch.
Can anyone provide any insight as to how to deal with this situation?
Thanks.
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FYI
I am just another 'lowly' User/Patron ...
[ And, I happen to be a Member of the Church ... ]
Just in passing ...
Normally, I would NOT request/suggest (nor, recommend), that a User/Patron provide, the 'FamilySearch Person Identifier' (PID) of an Ancestor, in the "Public" nature, of this open Forum.
But ...
That Said ...
From the information, that you have provided, you Ancestors appears to be, "Documented"; and, "Public.
As such ...
Can I humbly suggest, that you provide the 'FamilySearch Person Identifier' (PID) of an Ancestor.
[ But, that said, certainly, your choice ... ]
As, that would help/assist considerably; and, provide, a starting point for more specific advise.
Just my thoughts.
Brett
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First - I have similar issues with women ancestors ages in records - but generally I would not be concerned in age listed in records varying 5 years (that is very minimal in my experience).
If she is from Ireland: you will need to find a record listing her townland - which you indicate you have but cannot locate the place in Ireland. This is fairly common - I suspect - because the name given may have changed or could be spelled phonetically or have variants. There is a very good resource for Ireland placenames at: https://www.logainm.ie/en/
Hopefully that will help locate the place. From there depending on the parish records you may be able to locate birth/family records.
Generally in my experience - researchers will tell you to locate as many family records for her family here in America (there might be a clue to her birth location in any of these). If you have her Utah death record - I would try locating an original copy - sometimes there might be extra clues/writing on the back. Or if there is an obituary that may also lead to clues (sometimes survivors listed).
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Thank you Brett and genthusiast for your quick responses.
Brett, her PID number is K27B-RSH.
I'm not sure what question I should pose as a starting point, but maybe it would be how to find, document, and/or correct birth record information.
Secondarily a question might be how to raise the issue at her profile regarding uncertainty in the information in her profile.
By the way, not quite related to this case, but I have a great great grandmother whose information was very wrong at FamilySearch. (Wrong parents, wrong country of birth). Through DNA matching I was able to find some blood relatives, and from information provided by them I was eventually able to put her into the correct family tree at FamilSearch.
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This obituary indicates her mother survived her - so her mother's obituary might be useful.
This obituary for her mother (she died a few days later) indicates she was born in County Down, Ireland.
Her brother - supposedly born one month before her in Tullyish parish, Down, Ireland. I did not find his baptism in Tullyish March 1841 - so that appears incorrect - unless I missed something or unless all that was recorded was burial?
Interestingly the next parish over in County Armagh - Ballymore and Mullabrack parish - looks to have a spelling similar to that of Susannah's birth location - so I checked the registers listed there and 1841 is too early apparently (they start in 1843)
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Good idea. Thanks.
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These replies have been helpful. Hopefully I am inching forward.
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It's too bad the records for Mullabrack don't start a couple of years earlier.
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Actually those are the Catholic Parishes - I have no idea whether the family would be in those or somewhere else.
Mullabrack townland - County Down (someone probably read Mullsbrack instead somewhere)
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FYI
I am sorry ...
I have been busy, responding to some other posts, in this Forum ...
By the way ...
'G'Day', "Cuz" ...
I am also (Distantly) "Related" to Susannah CORNWALL ( K27B-RSH ) ...
As an aside ...
IF, you have not already; THEN, ...
You may wish to consider, "Joining"; and, submitting a post, in one of the 'Groups', in the "Groups" Section, of this Forum.
Please be aware, that one must "Join" a 'Group', to submit a post, in a 'Group'.
The members of the 'Groups', are only too willing to help/assist, where that can.
I would humbly suggest, that one 'Group', that you may wish to consider is:
"Groups" Section
HOME > GROUPS > IRELAND GENEALOGY RESEARCH
Ireland Genealogy Research
https://community.familysearch.org/en/group/104-ireland-genealogy-research
Just my thoughts.
Good Luck.
I hope, that this may just provide you, with another option, to seek help/assistance.
Brett
ps: There are ALSO 'Groups' for, British Isles; England; Wales; and, Scotland (and, more), if needs be.
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That link https://www.logainm.ie/en/ may have borne fruit. Foley is part of the place name listed for her birth,, and it showed up in the link you gave, and it is showing up as part of Armagh, which is where some of Susannah's family members are listed as having been born.
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Brett,
Howdy Cuz.
That's a good idea to join the group you mentioned.
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I could not locate Foley as part of Civil Parish Tullylish, County Down - but Mullabrack is indeed (in that link). So I would be 'careful' at this point about Foley - maybe it is another spelling as well.
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