Allow names shared with the temple to be shared in Family Groups
I come across names in my family research that someone else has shared with the temple. I can reserve them, but Family Search will not allow me to place them in my Family Group so that family members can assist in getting the temple work done.
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I have been doing extensive descendance research of all my family lines, but because of the 300 name restriction on reservation I was not able to reserve all the names I found. Then someone had the bright idea (NOT) to go down all their lines and reserve the names for the temple. They were like 12th cousins and very remote to family that are very close to me. I have set up a family group with all my siblings, children, nieces and nephews to try and get the work done more quickly. I'm finding I can't reserve and share with my family group names shared with the temple. I can't even reserve and share my 1st cousin 3 times removed because someone who is a 12th cousin came way over to my side of the tree and reserved all my close family names with the temple. This is so frustrating!!!
People, I understand that you feel that sharing names with the temple is a great idea, but you really are making it hard for others to do the work. If you want to share names with the temple just stick to close relatives within 3rd cousin range. Thank you.
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My family is active in doing Temple work. I find it very frustrating that we are not able to share names on my Temple Reservation list with my family group, if they have been previously shared with the Temple. Many of the names on my temple reservation list have been previously shared with the Temple so this creates another barrier to getting this work done. I hope that this will be changed soon.
Also I would find it helpful if I could reserve individual ordinances instead of having to reserve all the ordinances for an individual, i.e. being able to reserve just the Baptism and Confirmation ordinances and not the others. This would allow me to get at least the baptism and confirmation done without reserving the initiatory and endowment, when I already have more endowments in my reservation list than I can get done this year. This would allow my grandchildren more opportunities to participate and at least give the deceased person a start on their ordinances. I am very grateful for the amazing work done by Family Search but hope there will be fewer barriers going forward. I am truly thankful for your efforts.
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I agree
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Do keep in mind that it was not that long ago that all of those 90-ordinances would have had red icons that meant you could not do those ordinances at all. They had to wait until they were completed at the temple. It was a tremendous removal of a road block to put a green with clock icon on those icons so you can complete them for whoever in your family originally reserved them.
You have several options to get around the fact that 90-day ordinances are intended for you to complete within those 90 days.
1) Complete them yourself as soon as possible. Remember that when the temples are fully open again and expiration dates are enforced, they will all fall off your reservation list in 90 days.
2) Unreserve them so that anyone in your fully extended family can be given these in Ordinances Ready. Remember that Ordinances Ready starts from whoever in your family is using it (even all your 12th cousins) and climbs your pedigree ten generations and comes back five generations to find these green with clock people. There is a high probability that since these people are related to you, if your grandchildren routinely use Ordinances Ready, they will be presented with these same names if you unreserve them.
3) Make use of the message function of Family Groups. Copy all the ID numbers of the people you can't share and paste them in a message to let people know these ordinances need to be done. Then unreserve them so that anyone in your group can go to those IDs, reserve the ordinances, and get them done within the 90 day time limit.
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Sorry to hear about how things went. In the future keep in mind that there is no limit to your temple-shared list and any close relative you find you can reserve and share them to the temple as long as your personal list is less than 300. For example, if you keep your personal list empty except for about 200 names all shared with the family group, that gives you plenty of room to reserve ordinances and share to the temple. Then as your family group needs replenishing, you can un-share from the temple and share with the group.
Since you have organized a family group, another thing you can do is copy some of the ID numbers and send them as a group message. Since the ordinances have been shared with the temple, any relative can take them as a 90-day ordinance and complete them.
Also keep in mind that as your family group gets low on certain types of ordinances, since those other names are shared with the temple Ordinances Ready will find them and give them to your family to complete.
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Unfortunately many over zealous "do good" FamilySearch users scour the website and share any incomplete ordinances they see with the temple when they are not even remotely related to these people. Just today, I discovered my aunt and uncle that I personally know who needed spouse sealing work has been shared with the temple by someone that shows a relationship going back more than ten generations? Plus many other similar situations. I'd like to add this ordinance to our temple Family Group so our immediate family can perform the ordinances. Currently, I'm not allowed to share a name with a family group if it has been shared with the temple.
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@Elizabeth Susan Clark Severson
It would seem that the best hope you have of completing these ordinances is to politely ask the person who shared them with the temple to unshare them, explaining the closeness of your relationship. It may or may not bring a positive response, but currently, it's the best option you have.
Kind regards,
Barry
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Please, please, please allow individuals whose temple ordinances were shared with the Temple to be reserved and then shared with a Family Temple Reservation Group. Thousands of ordinances were shared with the Temple during Covid and now with the new Family Groups for Temple reservations these ordinances could be done much faster if they could be shared with Family Groups. Thank you
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I think that the functionality of the Family Group feature for temple reservations could be improved if reservations could be shared with both the family group and the temple system.
I have thousands of names shared with the temple system, but I also have a (small) family group that I share names with. I have too many names for my family group to possibly be able to do all of them, but I would like to have as many names as possible available for my group to reserve if they want.
Would it be possible to allow names to be shared with both the temple and a family group? Essentially, the name would be visible to the group and they could reserve and complete it, but if the temple system gets to it first, it will still be taken from there and completed.
Does this sound like a useful and feasible idea?
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4 Sep 2022
I also added an UP VOTE! Please enable sharing names between Shared with Temple and Family Groups.
In addition: Please add View my Relationship options while working with temple name lists. The icon could be added to the summary card. Or, better, add a FILTER that let's patrons choose from a Filter dropdown which grandparent line names they want to see OR be able to add an ID number.
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I understand that part of the reasoning to not allow re-sharing of shared temple names is the intent that these names be done quickly. When you take a name from those that were shared with the temple you have a 90 day expiration date.
It would be acceptable to me could then share those names to the Family Group with the same 90 day restriction. The names being returned to the temple as usual if no one picks it up within the permitted time period.
I would like to have the ability to gather a few names for B/C and share with the Family Group for the grand kids to pickup. I could then notify the various grand kids households. It takes a few days to get their baptistery schedule worked out etc. We can work it out by emailing the printed card on a case by case basis but that is time consuming and inefficient.
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Amen and amen! It also prevents people from choosing these names since they know they cannot finish all the ordinances and they are not allowed to reshare to the group. It's so nice to have the Family Groups. I'm hoping they will soon be a little user-friendly.
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Please share this problem with the rule makers.
Concerning names for temple work shared with the temple:
I am requesting that the rules be changed a little.
I would like to take temple work that has been shared with the temple and share it with my family group. We work as a team and we are being handicapped in getting the temple work done because I can't share it. My Groups and I should be considered as one and be allowed to work together to get the work done.
Not allowing the share to groups causes a real handicap to getting the ordinances done because I am not allowed to share.
Considering the time line of 120 days, I don't understand why it matters who I share it with. To me, it should only matter that the work gets done in the time frame.
Please consider making this change. We can't work together with this rule.
Sincerely,
Katherine Christensen
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If you are the user who shared the original ordinances to the shared temple list, you can un-share them from that list back to your own My Reservations list and then share them with your family group. Only those ordinances in a person's My Reservations list can be shared to a family group as they stay on the My Reservations list with a link to the family group.
If the ordinances you are describing were shared to the temple by another user, that user anticipates that the temple or another user will quickly complete the temple work in 120 days. Since that ordinance has already been shared to the temple list, it cannot be shared again to group.
An ordinance that is on the shared temple list no longer resides on a person's My Reservations and cannot be shared to a family group. The processes for a shared with temple ordinance and a shared with family group ordinance are two different things.
Ordinances shared with the temple list are available to be reserved for 120 days by another user. That user can navigate to the Tree record of the person and reserve the ordinance there, or they can use Ordinances Ready to obtain these ordinances.
If you have identified ordinances that have already been shared to the shared temple list by other users that you want to do yourself, you can reserve them for 120 days and get the work done. If you think your family may be interested in these ordinances as well, you could message your family the PIDs for these individuals and they can directly reserve them for 120 days.
Shared with temple ordinances cannot be managed in family groups.
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My suggestion to the powers that are in charge is ... if a person has shared the work to be done with the temple, then, if I, or another person agrees to reserve that name, (second share)...that I and my group are considered as one share not two shares. The reason is, my group and I are working as a team. Therefore we should be allowed to get the work done as a team.
Yes we can communicate back and forth but that defeats the whole purpose of the group. It can be cumbersome, whereas the group is easy.
A share with the temple is because they need someone else to help. Well, let us help with the tools already there.
My request is that you communicate this "request that a person taking a name from the temple reservations be able to share with their group without the two share limit" up the up-line. The "Group share" will not undo the timer dates and won't slow anything down, it will speed things up.
Thanks,
Katherine Christensen
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I shared reservations with a family group. Is it possible to share the names with the temple also? I can't find a way to do it.
The female ancestor ordinances (except sealings) I had reserved (around 80) are almost done, but the male ancestors aren't getting much attention, and there are still so many male intiatory and endowment to be done before we can do sealings.
I would like to share these names so my ward / stake / temple district can help do the work.
I saw this was a recent change where the hierarchy in Ordinance Ready is reserved names / family group / family tree / ward names / stake names / general temple. Seems like doing this might up the chances of my male ancestor names getting done.
Thanks!
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I am finding relatives who need temple ordinances which were previously reserved by someone else who then shared those names with the temple. Unfortunately I can't share those names with our new family group.
Can you engineer that possibiltiiy?
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I do most of the research and since there are too many names for me to do alone, my family does most of the temple ordnances. We have many relatives that could have their ordnances performed by family members if I were able to share the "previously shared" individuals to our group. I hope this limitation will soon be removed.
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I have a large family and we set temple attendance goals for a year. As a group coordinator we have completed over 1300 ordinances. I would love to pick up ordinances that have been shared with the temple and add them to my family group so I/we can keep track what is being completed as a group. However the PROBLEM is I can't add a shared with temple ordinances to my family group which is sad. We could get a lot done but instead I have to find new people or those ordinances that have not been shared with the temple. Help me please.
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The suggestion to be able to "re-share" to a Family Group with the same 120 day restriction has been made over in the Temple Category with a fair amount of support.
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- What are you trying to accomplish? Why? I am trying to 'share temple baptism' names with my 12 year old granddaughter to do when she attends the temple with her YW class or family.
- What is the challenge or roadblock you are encountering? I cannot share names that have 'previously been shared with the temple'
- What is your idea? Can we please make these 'names available for sharing with groups'?
- How would solving this challenge improve your experience? Thank you so much for the great work and improvements that are constantly being made to FamilySearch! If there is a way we could please pull back temple names that could then be shared with our family that would be so helpful for so many people I have spoken with that are coming across this same challenge when wishing to be able to share names for temple work completion with family members or groups that need names. These names could also be completed so much quicker and efficiently. Thank you for any help you can give in this regard.
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Just another user here. This idea has been posted so many times that I would not be surprised if it is on someone's drawing board somewhere. But even if it is, it could be months to years before a redesign of the temple reservation system allows this.
The current situation is that you cannot take some other user's reservation completely off that user's shared with temple list and move it to a group. You can only borrow that reservation from that user's list as a 120 day reservation. And you can't share borrowed reservations with a group, only your own reservations.
The best you can do at this point is leave green icons with clocks where they are, copy their ID numbers, and share them in a family group chat for members of the group to be able to jump to those individuals and take the names as 120 day reservations of their own.
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I want to sharing to my Family Group ADLER, Ethel Amelia Lambert [GC85-HBY]. She was been previously shared with temple. She is no longer shared with the Temple and I cannot share her with my family group. This limitation should only prevent her from being re-shared with the Temple. Her record also takes 2 reservations in my reservations.
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Mod note - Several suggestions have been merged into an existing Idea.
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@Grant Brian Adler Ethel's ordinances are still indeed shared with the Temple, even though that may seem a little confusing, since you have a short-term (120 day) secondary reservation. In any case, since you are not the original reserver of those ordinances, you cannot share those ordinances with a family group.
For an explanation of this, please see Amy Archibald's earlier post in this thread (which also includes a suggestion of how you might be able to share it with the group), or the Help Center article How do I share ordinances with a family group?
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As I am working on the family tree and adding sources, etc. I often come across relatives that have been referred to the temple. I want to be able to refer them to our family group so that they will get done sooner. I've heard that it takes years for male names to be done and I can't do the male names so I would like to be able to refer them to the family group. For the female names I would like to refer them to the family group so that one of the young people can do the baptisms and then I or one of the other women in the group could do the initiatories, etc.
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I understand that you can't share with Temple when it has already been shared but I need and should be able to share with my family group so I can get help getting it done.
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Instructions for sharing ordinances with family groups can be found at
https://www.familysearch.org/en/help/helpcenter/article/share-ordinances-with-a-family-group
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But my point is we can't share with the family group, names that have been shared with the temple then taken back and we should be able to share those with the family.
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Sister Goodey is correct. A great many ordinances have been shared with the Temple. As family organizations attempt to do the ordinances they are currently unable to share those ordinances with the family group due to the earlier sharing with the Temple.
The temple sharing and family group sharing should be completely separate. The current situation actually hampers families in their attempt to get the previously shared ordinances done.
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