Individual keeps ruining shared well-sourced family tree in the 1500s/1600s
Hi all,
I have more experience using Geni than FamilySearch, and in situations like the following, I can contact voluntary curators to help resolve the issue and to lock profile information so that people don't overwrite it with nonsense. However on here I seem to be stuck in this situation.
A line of ancestry I have from Cornille de Lobel (1644-1675) ( https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GWHZ-GP2 ) living in Valenciennes in modern-day France near Belgium, is quite well sourced and I have attached many documents to him and his ancestors. I try explain in the life sketch situation of any individual any contrasts in the sources in any way.
Anyway, there is an individual who every two or three months changes everything, disconnecting well sourced mothers from individuals, changing dates so that they make no sense, such as marriages before births of their parents etc etc. I have politely messaged the individual in English and in French several times, and I have gotten zero response. Upon correcting his changes back to the sourced information, a month later he changes it back also to his nonsense. I have asked him for his sources and I received zero communication.
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My messages to him:
'Hi there,
I have been researching the ancestry of Cornille de Lobel (1644-1675) for the past two years, and from what I understand, he is the son of Jean de Lobel (1614-1688), with no mother listed. Jean de Lobel (1614-1688) is the son of Jean de Lobel (born circa 1590) and Marguerite Josephe de Nerrin. This is following Casimir de Sar de Solmon: Généalogies, Notes, Epitaphes des provinces du Nord. Bibliothéque Municipale de Valenciennes. https://patrimoine-numerique.ville-valenciennes.fr/ark:/29755/B_596066101_MS_GEN
If you have Geni then I have the ancestry here https://www.geni.com/list/ancestors/6000000005767313789#8
Sincerely,
Joshua M Swerling
10 JANUARY 20223:43 PM
Bonjour,
Je ne comprends pas pourquoi vous avez déconnecté Jean de Lobel (ne 1614) de son mere Marguerite de Nerrin. J'utilise le source Casimir de Sar de Solmon: Généalogies, Notes, Epitaphes des provinces du Nord. (https://patrimoine-numerique.ville-valenciennes.fr/ark:/29755/B_596066101_MS_GEN )
Quel sources est-ce que vous utilisez?
Sincerement,
Joshua M Swerling
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What can I do now? Do I have to accept that my family tree on FamilySearch has nonsense on it before 1700? I have attached a sourced ancestry of Cornille de Lobel for reference.
Thank you for reading,
Joshua M Swerling
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Joshua
I am just another 'lowly' User/Patron ...
You are not alone ...
Many of us have ... been there ... done that ... and, still do ...
As you will no doubt be aware ...
Technically there is no way to STOP another User/Patron working along the SAME 'Ancestral" Lines.
As, "Family Tree", of 'FamilySearch', is Built on a "Open Edit" Platform - hence, why any registered User/Patron can "Edit" (ie. Add, Delete; and/or, Change) ANY "Deceased" individual/person, in "Family Tree", of 'FamilySearch'.
Now ...
That Said ...
Do not disappear ...
There are some, actions that one can take; and, options available ...
Here are some "Knowledge Articles" in 'FamilySearch', that somewhat addresses your problem/issue.
Here is the FIRST "Knowledge Article":
[ But, your particular situation/circumstance, has gone beyond this following "Knowledge Article" ... ]
How can I prevent other people from making inaccurate changes to Family Tree?
Now ...
After that ...
As you can 'see', "Collaboration" needs to be undertaken.
But, when "Collaboration" FAILS; and, provided that there is NO "Abuse" ...
Then, there is this "Knowledge Article" in 'FamilySearch':
How do I report changes or problems made by other contributors?
that comes to the fore ...
In particularly, the last sentence in that "Knowledge Article"; which, is very IMPORTANT:
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If you have questions regarding inadvertent, suspicious or potentially malicious errors in records that you are unable to resolve per the instructions above, contact FamilySearch Support.
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But ...
That Said ...
Once a particular situation/circumstance, really border on that of "Abuse" ...
There is this "Knowledge Article", in 'FamilySearch':
How do I report abuse, spam, inappropriate memories, and other content?
comes to the fore.
Now ...
All That Said ...
As such ...
IF, you have undertaken "Collaboration" with the particular User/Patron in question, causing concern; and, that "Collaboration" has FAILED (eg. NO Response); and/or, there is "Abuse"; THEN, you can, either,
(1) For a "Private" communication ...
Contact 'FamilySearch' "Support" DIRECTLY via the,
(a) Telephone; and,
(b) an "Live ('On-Line') "Chat"
To keep the communication "Private", if you are directed back to this "Community.FamilySearch" Forum, insist that you do not want to do so; and, prefer that the matter be handled "Privately".
Whereas,
(2) For a communication is "Public" view ...
'Post' HERE in "Community.FamilySearch" Forum; and, HOPEFULLY, the "Moderators" [ ie. 'FamilySearch' "Support" (Personnel) ] HERE in this Forum, can TAKE the MATTER directly into the workings of 'FamilySearch' "Support", to help/assist you; and, communicate with you "Privately" via/through either, ("Private") 'Messaging' in 'FamilySearch' (or, the "Community.FamilySearch" Forum); and/or, DIRECT "E-mail".
And ...
IF, you want, keep any 'Post' here, in the "Community.FamilySearch" Forum, to a minimum, devoid of, "Personal" Information about one's self; and, even, not providing information about any Ancestors, just a precis of the matter; and, requesting a "Private" communication directly from 'FamilySearch' "Support" (Personnel).
Remember:
You are not alone ...
Most of us have ... been then ... done that ... still do.
Plus, it is a 'Slow' process, the whole thing often takes some time, to resolve.
Good Luck.
I know, that this certainly may not help/assist; but, I hope, that this may provide you with, some additional, insight; and, perspective; and, another avenue to pursue.
Brett
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Joshua
The "Process," was NOT, meant to be EASY ...
And, 'Yes', the "Process" is, COMPLICATED; and, COMPLEX ...
The matter, MUST be, FULLY investigated ...
'FamilySearch', NEEDS to follow protocols; and, gather, ALL the Supporting EVIDENCE / PROOF ...
There are various STEPS, that MUST be TAKEN ...
[ And, EXPLANATINS sought; plus, in some case, CHANCES given ... ]
Good Luck.
Brett
ps: I hope, that your post/matter, is TAKEN, into the WORKING, of 'FamilySearch' "Support".
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Hi Brett,
Thanks a lot for your answer. It seems like a rather complicated process however I will try to look into it.
Best,
Joshua
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