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Jim  Red Canoe  Stevenson
Jim Red Canoe Stevenson ✭
December 21, 2021 edited July 16, 2024 in Family Tree

Source Linking Problem

https://www.familysearch.org/search/linker?pal=/ark:/61903/1:1:QP5P-SDB4&id=LV89-QPS&hinting=/tree/person/details/LV89-QPS&icid=fs-hinting

I have a problem linking the 1926 Canada Census record to the correct persons. The census persons are in Family Tree correctly but the relationships given in the census record are not correct. For instance, there are four females listed a 'daughter'; the problem is one daughter (Mary Dobson) is the child of the head's wife and the other three are her own daughters with Douglas Dobson. Unfortunately, some members of this family often gives (wildly) erroneous dates of birth (ages), and they frequently use middle names and nicknames.

In the image below, when Mary Dobson (Mary Ann Barbara Bannerman) is the selected person, I can successfully link everyone except the Head, Thomas B. Venables. Source linking wants her birth father as head rather than her step-father, Thomas B Venables as head. l have tried many other 'selected persons' with no luck. The relationships in FT are correct.

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  • Brett .
    Brett . ✭✭✭✭✭
    December 21, 2021

    @Jim (Red Canoe) Stevenson

    Jim

    Welcome to the "Community.FamilySearch" Forum.

    I am just another 'lowly' User/Patron ...

    Just in passing ...

    I just took a 'look' at Mary Ann Barbara BANNERMAN ( KFRG-D36 ) ..

    And, there is NO indication, in "Family Tree", of 'FamilySearch', that Thomas B. VENABLES, is her Stepfather ...

    I humbly venture to suggest, that ...

    IF, there was a Thomas B. VENABLES, associated; as, a Stepfather, to Barbara BANNERMAN ( KFRG-D36 ), in "Family Tree", of 'FamilySearch'; THEN, there is the likelihood, that one would be able to get the "Source Linker" to correctly attached (and, complete, that particular Source).

    https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/KFRG-D36

    Just my thoughts.

    I hope, that this may help/assist, somewhat.

    Brett

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  • Jim  Red Canoe  Stevenson
    Jim Red Canoe Stevenson ✭
    December 21, 2021

    Thanks, Brett.

    Your reply raises some interesting questions, some concerning the definition of 'Step-father' in general, and others concerning this particular case.

    In this specific case, Mary Ann Barbara Bannerman (KFRG-D36) is linked (in FS and FT) to her biological mother and biological father AND, further, her mother is linked to Thomas B. Venables as a second husband. Is there any other 'official' way to define the child-step parent relationship?

    A more general question: Does one become a step-child automatically upon one's parent remarrying? even though the child may already be an adult themselves? Today, we often see a senior parent remarrying. Does that create any legal relationship between the parent's new spouse and a child?

    Lastly, could I get an opinion from FSFT administrators on this situation:

    I was able to sourcelink Thomas B Venables and his wife Millicent but the others were flagged as a problem, THEN, by changing the person of interest to Mary Ann Barbara Bannerman, I was able to link all the others except Thosmas B Venables. I was not able to make all links 'happy' on one screen.

    SO, the question: Is the sourcelinking complete even though it was done on two different screens?

    An observation: the original census image incorrectly showed Mary Ann Barbara Bannerman as a sister to Alice, Monica and Ethel. She is their mother. Is this where the sourcelinking went astray?

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  • Julia Szent-Györgyi
    Julia Szent-Györgyi ✭✭✭✭✭
    December 22, 2021

    Source Linker will not be fully "happy" if the relationships in the index are not all correct. It is perfectly fine to ignore this. It is also perfectly fine to do the source linking in multiple tabs on multiple days by multiple people. All that matters is that everyone eventually ends up with the right source citation on the Sources tab.

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  • Brett .
    Brett . ✭✭✭✭✭
    December 22, 2021

    @Jim (Red Canoe) Stevenson

    Jim

    Just in passing ...

    Your 'Question': Is there any other 'official' way to define the child-step parent relationship?

    Short Answer: 'Yes'.

    Here are some "Knowledge Articles", in 'FamilySearch':

    How do I add step, adopted, and foster parents to a child in Family Tree?

    https://www.familysearch.org/en/help/helpcenter/article/how-do-i-add-step-adopted-and-foster-parents-to-a-child-in-family-tree

    https://www.familysearch.org/en/help/helpcenter/article/how-do-i-add-step-adopted-and-foster-parents-to-a-child-in-family-tree

    How do I add step, adopted, and foster parents to a child in Family Tree?

    https://www.familysearch.org/en/help/helpcenter/article/how-do-i-add-step-adopted-and-foster-children-to-parents-in-family-tree

    https://www.familysearch.org/en/help/helpcenter/article/how-do-i-add-step-adopted-and-foster-children-to-parents-in-family-tree

    How do I specify biological, step, adopted, and foster relationships in Family Tree?

    https://www.familysearch.org/en/help/helpcenter/article/how-do-i-specify-biological-step-adopted-and-foster-relationships-in-family-tree

    https://www.familysearch.org/en/help/helpcenter/article/how-do-i-specify-biological-step-adopted-and-foster-relationships-in-family-tree

    How do I attach a source to a parent-child relationship?

    https://www.familysearch.org/en/help/helpcenter/article/how-do-i-attach-a-source-to-a-parent-child-relationship

    https://www.familysearch.org/en/help/helpcenter/article/how-do-i-attach-a-source-to-a-parent-child-relationship

    .

    Your 'Question': Is there any other 'official' way to define the child-step parent relationship?

    ........................... even though the child may already be an adult themselves?

    Short Answer: 'No'.

    The all depend on what the Parents; and, Children WANT to do ...

    I know, of Adults, who call, the Person, that married their Biological Parents, many years later; as, their:

    Stepfather; and/or, Stepmother ...

    Despite the fact, that they were Adults, when such occurred.

    There is NO 'hard of fast' Rule ...

    It is simply up to the, Family; and, the Family members, depending on their family dynamic; and, situation/circumstances ...

    .

    Your comment: Today, we often see a senior parent remarrying.

    Your 'Question': Does that create any legal relationship between the parent's new spouse and a child?

    Short Answer: I am NO Legal Practitioner ... NOT that I know of ... the choice, is up to the individuals/persons

    .

    As an aside ...

    The "Source Linker", is NOT perfect ... far from it ...

    The "Source Linker", is a 'work in progress', that is ever changing, ever evolving; as, problems/issues present themselves; but, the "Source Linker", CANNOT be expected to work with EVERY Family dynamic that exists.

    The "Source Linker", can ONLY work with, what situation/circumstance, it is presented with.

    Just my thoughts.

    Brett

    ps: I would suggest that ...

    IF, the Census is actually "Wrong"; as, enumerated (ie. recorded); THEN, ... 'Yes' ... that is where the "Source Linker" will go astray; especially, if the VARIOUS (ie. Biological; Step; Adopted; Guardianship) "Relationships", DO NOT already exist, in 'Family Tree", of 'FamilySearch' ...

    I have had to add/create VARIOUS (ie. Biological; Step; Adopted; Guardianship) "Relationships", that DID NOT already exist, in 'Family Tree", of 'FamilySearch'; BEFORE, I could get the "Source Linker" to work with some "Sources".

    .

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  • Jim  Red Canoe  Stevenson
    Jim Red Canoe Stevenson ✭
    December 23, 2021

    @Brett . and @Julia Szent-Györgyi :

    Thank you both for your replies. I will study them in more depth after the holidays.

    I stilll have seen a comment on the source that not all people have been linked. I'll take a look into that.

    In the meantime, may I ask you both to consider the related issue: Can the (erroneous) family relationships in the census original be corrected (or at least noted somewhere? ) Those wrong relationships still appear in the 1926 Census source citations. The correct relationships for Douglas Dobson's family can be found in the 1921 census at the same location:

    Thomas Duglas Dobson in the 1921 Census of Canada

    Name: Thomas Duglas Dobson

    Gender: Male

    Marital Status: Married

    Age: 37

    Birth Year: abt 1884

    Birth Place: England

    Relation to Head of House: Head

    Spouse's Name: Mary Dobson

    Father Birth Place: England

    Mother Birth Place: England

    Year of Immigration: 1906

    Racial or Tribal Origin: English

    Occupation: Laborer


    Household Members:

    Name                           Age

    Thomas Duglas Dobson 37

    Mary Dobson                   27 (Note Mary is 27 years old in both the 1921 and 1926 census.)

    Mary Dobson                    8 (Note Mary is 'Alice' in the 1926 census.)

    Monica Dobson                    5

    Ethel Dobson                    1

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  • Julia Szent-Györgyi
    Julia Szent-Györgyi ✭✭✭✭✭
    December 25, 2021

    Even in indexes that have editable fields, relationships are seldom among them, so no, I don't think the 1926 census index can be corrected. What you can do is to attach the sources to the correct profiles, ignoring SourceLinker's unhappiness, and making a note of the indexing error in the Description/Notes fields of the citations.

    Keep in mind that despite the error, the index served its purpose: you found the record.

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