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Could the Change Logs be retroactively rebuilt?

Woody Brison
Woody Brison ✭
December 16, 2021 edited December 22, 2021 in Suggest an Idea

FS suggested a merge of KZB9-N1Z (John David, my 5g-father) with LCT4-FFF (Capt. Thomas Leigh), which suggestion I reject; different names, wives, children, birth places, died & buried on different continents. I will skip the rhetoric that comes to mind...

The interesting thing is, it warned me that John David's dossier is already the result of numerous merges. How does it know that? The change log does not show a single merge. There is a series of changes in 2016 that might suggest someone did a merge, from the reason given: "data matches", but that could also be a reason for attaching a source, altho there's no hint that any source was attached, but it doesn't say what the discontinued dossier(s) might have been if it was a merge.

How does FS know that there were numerous merges? Apparently there is more information buried in this system than meets the eye. Most of these change logs are sorely defective but maybe the data exists, just doesn't appear in the log? Which suggests a possible fix that somebody could implement: mine all that hidden data and put it in the change logs. Good job for some new hire junior programmer?

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  • Paul W
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    December 17, 2021

    @Woody Brison

    I frequently get similar messages. Thanks for highlighting this - I'll check the change logs when I see this in future, to see if my examples really have been the subject of numerous merges!

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  • Sanra
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    December 17, 2021

    @Woody Brison

    Thank you for posting in the Community about the change log. You might consider putting your question in the "Suggest and Idea" section of the Community, to the right of this post. The system apparently carried over the merge list from earlier versions of the program, which we are unable to view.

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  • Woody Brison
    Woody Brison ✭
    December 20, 2021

    Sanra, there is nothing on my screen to the right of your post, other than a little slidy bar for scrolling this page up and down. But suppose I am able to find this other section: should I put the same post there also? Then there's two copies and the discussion gets fragmented. Put it there and delete it from here? Then the comments here get disconnected from anything.

    It reminds me of a sci-fi story I read long ago: a scientist discovered a new virus that could potentially wipe out mankind. So he went to the government to report and warn. He was shuttled from secretary to secretary until one final door where all his questions would be heard. He went thru the door and it shut behind him. He was out on the street. The system did not want his reports and warnings.

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  • Sanra
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    December 20, 2021

    Hi Woody,

    We wonder if your screen needs to be expanded. You should see the following under the envelope and Person circle on the rights of this post. Or you may need to scroll up.

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  • Paul W
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    December 20, 2021 edited December 20, 2021

    @Sanra

    The reason many of us do not like posting to "Suggest an Idea" is that there is hardly ever any acknowledgment to show that anyone has even noticed our suggestions. At least from the other sections of Community there is a chance a moderator will elevate issues to an appropriate ("specialist") section.

    For example, if you would care to take a look, someone is currently upset about an email she has received on an issue which is rather sensitive to her. I note there have been 26 views, but no response from a FamilySearch moderator or employee (or anybody else, in fact).

    What incentive is there to post any problems there when the perception is that no one is following or cares?

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  • Sanra
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    December 20, 2021

    Hello Paul,

    If you gave me the information about this other guest and the post she sent, I would review it, and see if I can help. I try to find them, and be sure they are addressed. Is this an email, or a post in the Community? We do not work with emails anymore, only posts in the Community, since the split between churchofjesuschrist.org and FamilySearch. We do send messages privately to the guests, when there are sensitive issues involved.

    Please provide additional information.

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  • Paul W
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    December 20, 2021

    @Sanra

    I am rather confused by your believing this might be connected to an email query. As stated above, I am talking about posts made in the "Suggest an Idea" section, here in Community - at https://community.familysearch.org/en/categories/suggest-an-idea. In your message of 17 December to Woody Brison (above) you referenced it yourself!

    The specific post I am referring to is titled "Let's be more sensitive with mass emails", but my comments apply generally in respect of posts made in this section.

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  • Woody Brison
    Woody Brison ✭
    December 22, 2021

    Sanra, I don't see anything like what you describe. But, how important is it? I'm just going to wander off and find something else to do.

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  • Paul W
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    December 22, 2021

    @Sanra

    I provided the additional information you were asking for, but see no moderator / employee has yet addressed the point being raised. I have made comments there myself, but still think a FamilySearch response would have been appropriate.

    As stated elsewhere, that's the problem with posting at https://community.familysearch.org/en/categories/suggest-an-idea: the lack of responses makes you unsure whether anyone is even taking note of comments made there.

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  • Áine Ní Donnghaile
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    December 22, 2021
    https://community.familysearch.org/en/discussion/comment/415149#Comment_415149

    @Woody Brison if you are viewing the community on a tablet or smartphone, your display will be different. The display on a PC is as described by Sanra.

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  • Woody Brison
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    December 22, 2021 edited December 22, 2021

    I'm on a PC and it does not correspond in the least to her description.

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    If I scroll up as she suggests it looks like this:

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    Maybe there's an "envelope and Person circle" somewhere here but it's in infrared ink and my old eyes can't see it? The blue circle with the + in it opens to "Ask a Question".

    If you go to a professional shop where they create and fix webpages, you'll find a room where they have one of every type of computer there is, laptops, desktops, tablets, phones, and they don't release a product without trying it on every single one.

    One way to avoid the need for that would be to stick to released specifications on HTML, CSS, SVG, etc. FamilySearch is not a place for super enthusiastic kids to try out new webpage tricks and techniques and snazzy whooshy displays. It's a place where people NEED to get work done. It's the ONLY way to get Temple ordinances done. As things stand at present, FS is like this little cork in the nozzle.

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  • Woody Brison
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    December 23, 2021 edited December 23, 2021

    I'm on a PC and it does not correspond in the least to her description.

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    If I scroll up as she suggests it looks like this:

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    I don't see any "envelope and Person circle" anywhere here. The blue circle with the + in it opens to "Ask a Question".

    If you go to a professional shop where they create and fix webpages, you'll find a room where they have one of every type of computer there is, laptops, desktops, tablets, phones, and they don't release a product without trying it on every single one.

    One way to avoid the need for that would be to stick to released specifications on HTML, CSS, SVG, etc. FamilySearch is not a place for super enthusiastic kids to try out new webpage tricks and techniques and snazzy whooshy displays. It's a place where people NEED to get work done. It's the ONLY way to get Temple ordinances done.

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