Searching in the catalog, as indicated in the post above, will give you this entry https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/388719 . Click on the camera icons to access the digitised microfilms.
Make sure you are signed into FamilySearch when you look at the catalog details, or the icons will display differently.1
Microfilm ordering has been discontinued per the FamilySearch Help Center article below. You can click on the link and it will take you to the article.
Microfilm circulation service has been discontinued
The films in question are on line you can search for them in the Family History Catalog. Click on the link below an it will take you to the FamilySearch help Center article to assist you.
How do I search the Catalog for records?
Three of the films have indexes and two do not.1
Thank you, But they do not have what I need. Thanks again0
@batman917, the film number you gave in your question (16810) is available to view online. Maureen gave you the link to the catalog entry for it nearly two months ago. Here is a direct link to the film: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C3S6-59XL-3?mode=g&cat=388719
Why do you say "they do not have what I need"? Did you get the number wrong? Or do the images not contain the record you're looking for?0
the image you send me has baptismal, and deaths. I need the census of American Indians that is what I need they used to have them, back in 1991, my sister Florina Jones-married name. she orders them, and we looked at them back in 1991(on microfiche) at the local Mormon church in Hillsboro Oregon, on union road.0
why do you send me the same thing? that is NOT helpful, I need the American Indian census, not baptismal or deaths. yes, that was what we order back in 1991, but where did the census go?? why did you separate them?0
A van Helsdingen ✭✭✭✭✭
I had a look at films 16806, 16807, 16808, 16809 and 16810 in the FamilySearch Catalog. All of them are Catholic church records from Las Vegas in New Mexico.
Either the film numbering system has changed or the film numbers you have provided are not of the film with Native American censuses.
This article from the FamilySearch Wiki may be helpful: https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Native_American_Census0
ok, trust me I have been searching for this for a very Long time. National archive does Not have them. as they only have the BIA records. and this are church records. I have emails form them to prove what I'm saying. And it looks like you all have the church records, So please helps me. Where are the american indian Census? that were with the church information.0
A van Helsdingen ✭✭✭✭✭
I was not doing research in the 1990s, so I can't say if the film numbering system has changed. Hopefully someone more experienced can answer whether or not film 16806 in the year 1991 is the same as film 16806 on the current FamilySearch Catalog.
It's also worth noting that films can be taken out of circulation at any time if the record owner/custodian demands it. I doubt the US National Archives would do that to FamilySearch- they have quite a good relationship- , but perhaps a state, local, church, private sector or tribal owner of the records no longer wanted FamilySearch to have their records on microfilm.
Also note that the Catholic Church's relationship with FamilySearch has worsened since 1991. They now have an official policy that their records should not be shared with FamilySearch and members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (aka Mormons). This has resulted in a few microfilms being taken out of circulation, but this is relatively rare- many dioceses and parishes of the Church ignore this policy.0
United States, Native American, Census Rolls, 1885-1940 (index): https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/2761958
United States, Native American Birth and Death Records, 1885-1940 (index): https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/2765178
Indian census rolls, 1885-1940 (collection record in the catalog, with browsable image links): https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/297519?availability=Family%20History%20Library
If you know the tribe, you may be able to find more in the catalog. Here's a search of New Mexico entries with "native american census" in the keywords field: https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&placeId=379&query=%2Bplace%3A%22United%20States%2C%20New%20Mexico%22%20%2Bkeywords%3Anative%20%2Bkeywords%3Aamerican%20%2Bkeywords%3Acensus&subjectsOpen=781979-50,341654-50,341651-50,341652-50
(By the way, both A van H. and I are just fellow users of FamilySearch. We're trying to help, but we only know what you've written here about what exactly it is that you're looking for.)0
Thank you for the Links, But those are the same as I said, BIA (Bureau of Indian Affairs).. they do not have the census records of the church. they only have the one that the government took. Just like anything that the church does, the church will have. Not National Archive Record Administration. (They only deal with items of the government) Not church records.
Ok, Im looking for the Census that the Catholic church took, as that was a assigned spot where if we were took far from the reservation, my family had to go check in, and My dad was born so that year 1939, they checked in at the church, and back then in 1939. it was mostly catholic, churches in New Mexico. and yes in 1991, No the family search was really basic, a lot more records, these days. and you did not have church records back then. So who Ever organized the records, from the church, and put them so well organized online they would have the other census. if you have a phone where i can call, or have my husband call. that we can do. I need the Indian census that were taken by catholic church in New Mexico... Jicariila/san juan pueblo census0
Would these be useful to you? https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/399083
If I'm understanding you correctly, what you're looking for is a record made in 1939. It seems likely to me that these records fall under privacy protection laws, as many of the people in them could still be alive. I would therefore be surprised to find them anywhere online.
Are you certain these were FS materials (microfilm or microfiche) that you were looking at thirty years ago? Could you be remembering something that was church or tribe property?
As A van H. wrote, the Catholic Church's stance on LDS activities (and therefore FS's efforts) has deteriorated in the past three decades, so it is possible that whatever it was that you were looking at in 1991 has since been recalled. Native American tribes have also gotten more administratively active in that time, so they may have asked for this census to be withdrawn from the public record (for the above-mentioned privacy reasons, if nothing else). I have no idea whether either of these possibilities is correct, but I think they're something to consider, anyway.0