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AUTOMATE process to see if preliminary work has been completed for SEALINGS

Deborah J. White
Deborah J. White ✭✭
November 24, 2021 edited November 27, 2021 in Suggest an Idea

We are encouraged to perform sealings AFTER the preliminary ordinances have been completed. Right now, I have to tediously click on each person to see if the preliminary work has been completed or not.

So, here is my idea to make FamilySearch better: AUTOMATE this process!

If you agree, please "LIKE" this post, and let's see if our voices can be heard!

Thanks! :)

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  • Brett .
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    November 25, 2021

    @Deborah J. White

    Deborah

    I am just another 'lowly' User/Patron ...

    [ And, I happen to be a member of the Church ... ]

    This is an ongoing dilemma, for many Members of the Church.

    The matter, has been canvased, on numerous occasions, in the various 'iterations' for the 'FamilySearch' Forums.

    One does not really have to be too concerned ...

    We have been advised, that regardless if "Ordinances" are done 'Out of Sequence', not to worry; as, those "Ordinances" that are done 'Out of Sequence' simply DO NOT take effect, UNTIL the prerequisite "Ordinances" are "Completed".

    And, most importantly ...

    "Ordinances" that are done 'Out of Sequence' DO NOT have to be done again; as, they are STILL "Valid".

    Here are some "Knowledge Articles" in 'FamilySearch':

    Ordinances performed out of order

    https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/ordinances-performed-out-of-order

    Which states, among other things:

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    Vicarious ordinances performed out of sequence are valid, but they become effective only after the prerequisite ordinances are completed.

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    And ...

    Correct order of temple ordinances

    https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/correct-order-of-temple-ordinances

    Which states, among other things:

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    Although vicarious ordinances performed out of sequence are valid, they become effective only after the prerequisite ordinances are completed.

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    And ...

    Of course ...

    Why are the temple ordinance dates out of order in Family Tree?

    https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/why-are-the-temple-ordinance-dates-out-of-order-in-family-tree

    Where it states, among other things:

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    • The ordinances were inadvertently or intentionally performed out of order in error.

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    Plus ...

    Most IMPORTANTLY ...

    In one of the aforementioned "Knowledge Article":

    Ordinances performed out of order

    https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/ordinances-performed-out-of-order

    Which states, among other things:

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    It is preferable to have the ordinances done in sequence

    [ Note: The Words ... It is preferable ]

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    And ...

    In the other of the aforementioned "Knowledge Article":

    Correct order of temple ordinances

    https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/correct-order-of-temple-ordinances

    It also states, among other things:

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    Which used to read:

    • Sealing of a husband and wife and sealing of children to parents (if possible). Whenever possible, parents should be sealed to each other before the children are sealed to the parents.

    [ Note: The Words ... Whenever possible ]

    But, now reads:

    • It is preferred that sealings be done after individual ordinances, but it is not required. Family Tree does not enforce the order of sealings for deceased persons. A deceased couple can be sealed before their individual ordinances are done. Likewise, a deceased child can be sealed to deceased parents before the parents are sealed and before the parents’ individual ordinances are done.

    [ Note: The improvement ... ]

    [ And, once again ... ]

    Although vicarious ordinances performed out of sequence are valid, they become effective only after the prerequisite ordinances are completed.

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    Now ...

    All That Said ...

    Here is a reference, specifically about "OrdinancesReay", regarding "Sealing to Spouse".

    "Knowledge Article", in 'FamilySearch':

    How do I find family names for the temple with Ordinances Ready?

    https://www.familysearch.org/en/help/helpcenter/article/how-do-i-find-family-names-for-the-temple-with-ordinances-ready

    It also states, among other things:

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    Before you start

    ...

    Notes:

    ...

    • Ordinances Ready does not determine if pre-requisite ordinances have been completed when sealing-to-spouse ordinances are requested. Please ensure that baptism, initiatory and endowment have been completed for each individual before proceeding with a sealing ordinance.

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    So ...

    That Said ...

    Really ...

    The choice is yours ...

    In regards to "OrdinancesReady" ...

    As, to whether or not, you proceed, with the "Ordinances", that you received through "OrdinancesReady".

    And ...

    Most importantly ...

    Please be aware that the "OrdinancesReady" feature/function/facility is ONLY, really, for a quick; and, easy, process of, FINDING; and, PRINTING, the "Temple" Cards, when one is going to visit the "Temple", that day or the next, when one DOES NOT have ANY "Temple" Cards, 'on-hand', available.

    The "OrdinancesReady" feature/function/facility is certainly NO substitute, for doing one's due diligence, well IN ADVANCE of visiting the "Temple" of, FINDING; and, PRINTING, the "Temple" Cards, for one's Ancestors, to have 'on-hand', available.

    Plus ...

    As an aside ...

    Remember, that the "Temple" Work, of "Sealing to Parents", relates to the Child; and, NOT, the to Parents.

    So ...

    That Said ...

    Regardless, of the status, of "Temple" Work, of the Parents, the "Sealing to Parents", for a Child, CAN be undertaken.

    I know that this might not give you comfort and address your concerns; but, I hope that this gives you some, insight; and, more perspective.

    Brett

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  • Deborah J. White
    Deborah J. White ✭✭
    November 26, 2021 edited November 27, 2021

    @Brett . Thanks. Though I appreciate all that you've written, I was already aware of everything you shared. Please note that I used the word "encouraged." I already know that it is not "required," which is why I used the word "encouraged."

    Do you feel that automating information would be a helpful feature in FamilySearch?

    Perhaps patrons could still have the option of doing sealings out of order if that would make you feel better. As for me, I would just appreciate having an automated way of telling if the preliminary ordinances have been completed or not, rather than having to click on everything manually in order to get that information. Does that make sense?

    In other words, my suggestion was simply a request for additional automated information in FamilySearch. I was not attempting to discuss whether or not patrons should be required to perform ordinances in order.

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