"view my relationship" is not working for me LY6K-2DW
Merrill Glen Rockhold LY6K-2DW is my 2nd cousin once removed. This is a complicated issue. I have attached a photo of where it shows the common ancestor is Keziah Wade KG3W-9QJ and Joshua Palmer K4GP-NWY. This is incorrect. Joshua Palmer is a step-father to my ancestor William Ledrow Titherington KF24-MF9 .
I have clicked the "preferred parents" box to show my Keziah Wade and John Titherington as biological parents. When I am on person pg of John Titherington KG3W-94M , "view my relationship" shows correct. When I show the "view my relationship" on any of William Ledrow Titherington's siblings and descendants the wrong relationship displays with parents as Joshua Palmer & Keziah Wade. Please can this be fixed, I would like to understand why this is happening. Until Joshua Palmer was entered into Family Search showing William Ledrow Titherington and all his siblings as step kids of Joshua Palmer this was not an issue. Thank you
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This is how Family Tree works. You could remove the step-parent relationship between Joshua Palmer and Keziah Wade's prior children. Perhaps none of the other contributors will object.
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The "preferred" box is a user-specific display choice: in tree views where only one set of parents can be shown at a time, this setting determines which ones are displayed. It does not affect the type of any parental relationships.
You can tell the system that Joshua is William's step-father by editing their relationship and setting the type to "Step".
If you don't set a parental relationship type, it defaults to biological. If a person has multiple sets of parents, all indicated to be biological, the system has to pick one for "Show My Relationship"; I don't know how it chooses, but it's probably something semi-random like date entered or PID.
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Gera
I am just another 'lowly User/Patron ...
PLEASE; Please; please ...
DO NOT "Remove", ANY of the EXISTING, "Parent-Child" Relationships, of "Step", for the Children, of the "Couple" Relationship, of Keziah Jane WADE ( KG3W-9QJ ); and, Joshua B. PALMER ( K4GP-NWY ), as has been previous suggested.
As, OTHER User/Patrons WILL most certainly object ...
Myself; being, one of them; as, I am "Related" to those individuals/persons ...
'Thank You' in advance.
Brett
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Brett, please explain clearly and concisely why it matters if a later spouse of a parent is or is not attached as a step parent.
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FYI
As, you will no doubt, be aware, I happen to be a Member of the Church ...
Respectfully ...
If I recall, correctly ...
[ But, I stand corrected, if I am wrong ... ]
You have previously advised, in this "Community.FamilySearch" Forum, that:
(1) You are not a member of the Church; and,
(2) You only started using, the "Family Tree" Part, of "FamilySearch', LAST Year (ie. 2020); and,
(3) You do a lot of work, on likes of, "Surname" Studies; or, "One Name" Studies, in "Family Tree", within 'FamilySearch'; and, especially, that which includes, the creation and maintenance of, So-Called, "Project Pages", of NONEXISTENT individuals/persons, in "Family Tree", of 'FamilySearch'.
Now ...
That Said ...
Please be aware, "Family Tree", of 'FamilySearch' (and, its predecessors), was created by the Church, for the purpose, of Members of the Church; being, able to follow the 'Tenets' of the Church.
As such ...
The paramount reason, that Users/Patrons, who are Member of the Church, use "Family Tree", of 'FamilySearch', is to WORK predominantly on their OWN Genealogy/Family History, their OWN "Ancestral" Lines (ie. that being their, IMMEDIATE Family; and, Ancestors; plus, branch lines), to follow the 'Tenets' of the Church.
User/Patrons, who are Member of the Church, actually REQUIRE, "All" of the various "Types", of "Parent-Child" Relationships, to enable us, to follow, the 'Tenets' of the Church.
ALL, those "Parent-Child" Relationships; being, that of, "Biological"; "Adopted"; "Step"; "Foster"; and, "Guardianship", are an INTEGRAL part, of Family relationships/dynamics, to User/Patrons, who are Member of the Church.
And, 'Yes', not ONLY, those of, "Adopted"; "Step"; and, "Foster"; but, ESPECIALLY, that of "Guardianship", when it comes to Grandparents.
So ...
That Said ...
I would hope, that Users/Patrons; especially, those who are not member of the Church, DO NOT "Remove" those "Parent-Child" Relationships, such as, "Adopted"; "Step"; "Foster"; and, "Guardianship", under ANY circumstances; and, especially, without, prior "Collaboration", with the OTHER Users/Patrons concerned.
Obviously, User/Patrons, who are not member of the Church, CANNOT 'see'/access, certain parts of "Family Tree", of 'FamilySearch', pertaining to the 'Tenets' of the Church; as, there is not need to do so.
But ...
That Said ...
Please be aware, that "Removing", those "Parent-Child" Relationships, such as, "Adopted"; "Step"; "Foster"; and, "Guardianship", can cause REAL problems/issues, for Users/Patrons, who are Member of the Church; especially, with the parts of "Family Tree", of 'FamilySearch', pertaining to the 'Tenets' of the Church.
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I humbly hope, that the aforementioned was sufficiently clear.
[ You know, that I am very 'Verbose'; as, that is my 'Style' ... ]
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So ...
That Said ...
In the case, of this particular post ...
I reiterate ...
PLEASE; Please; please ...
DO NOT "Remove", ANY of the EXISTING, "Parent-Child" Relationships, of "Step", for the Children, of the "Couple" Relationship, of Keziah Jane WADE ( KG3W-9QJ ); and, Joshua B. PALMER ( K4GP-NWY ), as has been previous suggested.
As, OTHER User/Patrons WILL most certainly object ...
Myself; being, one of them; as, I am "Related" to those individuals/persons ...
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Plus, I also KNOW, from 'looking' through, ALL the pages/screens, of that Family relationship/dynamic, in 'Family Tree", of 'FamilySearch', that the poster, of this particular post, WILL be aware of what I have proffered.
I hope that this helps/assists; and, also provides you with a better understanding; plus, even more, insight; and, perspective.
Brett
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@Brett ., please refrain from mis-characterizing me. Returning on topic and opening the question to all...
When the parent of an adult child remarries, the new spouse usually is not considered a step parent by anyone in the immediate family. Does LDS doctrine disregard this perspective?
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Something isn't right. Step parents don't normally pre-empt biological parents in Find results.
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FYI
Regardless, of ANY perspective ...
In regard, to the matter, at hand ...
A "Living" Descendant (ie. a User/Patron), has (rightly; or, wrongly) designated, Joshua B. PALMER ( K4GP-NWY ), to be a "Step" (Father) Parent (in the "Parent-Child" Relationships) of those Children, in that particular "Couple" Relationship/Family dynamic, with Keziah Jane WADE ( KG3W-9QJ ).
And ...
In any case ...
I am aware of, Children, to refer to a new Spouse, of their (Surviving) Parent; as, their "Step" Parent (Father/Mother); even, though, those Children, were Adults (or, Young Adults) themselves, at the time of the subsequent marriage.
Such is Life ...
Brett
ps: One should NOT always 'trust', what appears, in the "Find" Feature/Facility/Function (it is ONLY a Guide) ...
pps: One SHOULD always, go to; and, 'see', what appears against, the actual individua/person concerned.
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@dontiknowyou You cannot generalize about step parent relationships. All are different. Even when someone marries for a second time when the children are grown doesn't mean that second spouse is inconsequential. My father's grandfather remarried, and that step mom became a force for good extending WAY down to all her step grandchildren. Also, please remember this: genealogy is about information. Deleting ANY information is wrong. Marriages are important. Just check the preferred couple when you are working on that branch, and respect anyone else who would like to check another couple as preferred when they are doing their research.
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@Gail S Watson no one here is advocating detaching couples or removing marriage information. The issue is that various Family Tree tools are presenting only the step father not the father.
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I've received 11 emails from this community conversation. From Gail, Julia, Brett & don'tknowyou. I do not feel my question was answered satisfactorily; but I do thank you for your efforts. I would like this issue to be escalated to the engineering team if possible.
I received another "hint" in my email for ancestors on FamilySearch. I went to view my relationship and again it showed not the biological line but the step-line. This one was for Elizabeth Boardman KZ9W-8Q8. It was mentioned, if I understood correctly, that viewing relationship is just a "guide". This seems implausible. I know the history and recognize immediately that it is the wrong line, what about those searching that cannot recognize it as being not biological line? I have my "preferred parents" clicked. I stand corrected. I just checked my great grandfather KF24-MF9 siblings and two of them were not clicked correctly. I changed Eliza and Newton to the biological "preferred parents". Perhaps this will be the simple fix. If not, I hope it can be explained more clearly, I of course do not want to delete or change anything without understanding what is actually causing this. Thank you
Gera Wilcox
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Gera
Just in passing ...
There is NOTHING that need "Fixing" ...
Please be aware ...
"Relationships", be they either, "Couple"; and/or, "Parent-Child", in general, can be quite complex; especially, when there are, (1) more than one "Couple" Relationship; and/or, (2) the other 'Types' of "Parent-Child "Relationships", being, "Adopted"; "Step"; "Foster"; and, "Guardianship", involved.
I think that 'FamilySearch' just takes ... 'the line of least resistance' ...
I have certainly found some "Relationships" can have MORE than ONE type/form of result ...
And, the various "Programmes", can each give their own, DIFFERENT interpretations ...
I have even come across cases; where, 'FamilySearch', in "View My Relationship", shows/displays one 'Type'/'Form' of "Relationship"; and, yet, (BYU) "RelativeFinder", that is a "Third Party" Application, that is "Certified" to work with the "Data", from "Family Tree", of 'FamilySearch', shows/displays ANOTHER (Different) 'Type'/'Form' of "Relationship", when there is (1) more than one "Couple" Relationship; and/or, (2) the other 'Types' of "Parent-Child "Relationships", being, "Adopted"; "Step"; "Foster"; and, "Guardianship", involved.
I never get too concerned about such ...
IF, I can follow a line/link, in my "Ancestral" Lines; and, such exists; THEN, I a happy with that ...
I care not what such is technically 'called' ...
Now ...
That Said ...
IF, there is a line/link, in "Family Tree", of 'FamilySearch', between you and a "Deceased" individual/person, that being ANY 'Type'/'Form' of line/link, be-it, "Biological"; "Adopted"; "Step"; "Foster"; or, "Guardianship"; THEN, 'FamilySearch' WILL "Find" such; and, give you "Record Hints".
"Record Hints" are NOT limited to "Relationships" that are "Biological".
"Record Hints" are apply to the whole spectrum of "Relationships".
And, having "Preferred" Family "Set", has NO bearing, on receiving "Record Hints".
Just my thoughts.
I hope that this may help/assist, somewhat.
Brett
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You may be interested to know that you can be related to others in more than one way, and View My Relationship shows the shortest route. The following is an illustration. You will see the yellow line when you click to view the relationship, but there are two other ways connections could be made, all to the same ancestor.
I can depend on changes made to the Tree. If someone along the line was disconnected by deleting a connection, a different relationship could be shown.
We hope this information will clarify the situation a bit.
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@Gera Wilcox1 have you tried examining these relationships using RelativeFinder.org?
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Thanks again for your efforts to help me ! I am not new to genealogy so feel somewhat experienced. My calling is Temple & Family History Consultant - FHC in the church. I agree that there are many types of relationships, but if my purpose was to follow a biological line on any given ancestor and I have preferred parent chosen, then I would expect to see only my biological line to appear when I click "view my relationship". When it displays Joshua Palmer as the father of William Ledrow Titherington or any of his siblings, it would be less misleading if it displayed Joshua Palmer as step-father. What am I missing?
I have been taught RelativeFinder.org but not used it much. I will try. But my purpose right now is not looking for relatives but wondering why I now feel I cannot fully trust the accuracy of the line when I click "view my relationship". It seems logical that the shortest way to my great grandfather would be what I have added personally and clicked "preferred " to show.
Thank you
Gera Wilcox
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I mentioned RelativeFinder by way of diagnostics, to show there is something not working as it should. I am trying to help you get this escalated to the engineers.
Apparently the screenshot I posted on November 19 was not sufficient, even though it displayed an obvious problem. Normally all parents are shown in Find results, but then only his step parents were shown. Had you just edited his profile? It can take a few days for Find results to catch up.
Find result today:
It might help to standardize the marriage date for John and Keziah.
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