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larisaveselova
larisaveselova ✭
November 15, 2021 in Indexing

Good morning, dear indexers & arbitrators!

I am reviewing the military batch "United States—Enlisted and Officer Muster Rolls and Rosters, 1916–1939 [Part K][M3ZH-ZBD]" and need help from experts to prove the year of discharging: the indexers put 1919, but for me it is 1920 (see line 3, please).

Your ideas?

Thank you.

Larisa V.

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  • John Empoliti
    John Empoliti ✭✭✭✭✭
    November 15, 2021 edited November 15, 2021 Answer ✓

    Hi Larisa

    It isn't easy to read and has been typed over - it could be 1919 or 1920. Unfortunately, I cannot see the Reference Images to look at the greater context and see if a previous or following image clearly shows the year. I suggest you study those Reference Images (4th vertical icon - looks like an open book).

    But, based on the following little screenshot, I am strongly leaning towards 1919. Look at the lower date I've circled. That date is when Charles R Milbourne was assigned to that unit but had "Not joined" by the date of the roster. The year of date is more clearly May 2? '19. It doesn't make sense for him to wait a year (until May of 1920) to join that unit. So, I think that it is 1919. But please consult those reference images.

    Muster Roll screen nip 2019 vs 2020.jpg


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  • Melissa S Himes
    Melissa S Himes ✭✭✭✭✭
    November 15, 2021 Answer ✓

    Yes, @John Empoliti we can find them on films, but, it sometimes takes a really long time. I wouldn't even attempt this on Muster Rolls. There are thousands that you would have to go through. It is not a secret (or shouldn't be) on how to do it. You use the image information from About Batch and search Images. But, like I said - it takes too long and if the moderators have the magic wand to see reference images and peoples batches in their queue, then they should use it!

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  • Allison Lathrop
    Allison Lathrop ✭✭✭
    November 16, 2021 Answer ✓

    We are able to access reference images but on this batch in question, the typng is so dark, it's almost impossible to read the year on the image before or after.

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  • Melissa S Himes
    Melissa S Himes ✭✭✭✭✭
    November 15, 2021

    @John Empoliti Just realizing that the moderators DO have access to reference images. I suspect we could either tag them or just quit answering questions that involve access to them and wait for them to get to the questions.

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  • John Empoliti
    John Empoliti ✭✭✭✭✭
    November 15, 2021 edited November 15, 2021

    Excellent suggestions, @Melissa S Himes . It is so frustrating and awkward trying to answer questions without access to the reference images, especially for this Project, but really for any. And it causes unnecessarily complicated replies. I know that you (Melissa) can find the film and so the batch and reference images. So, it isn't as if a knowledgable non-moderator Indexer can't access them in another way. I don't know how to do that but shouldn't need to.

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  • annewandering
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    November 15, 2021 edited November 15, 2021

    We cannot see reference images either. There really aren't any secret ways that we can use that you cannot. That said, I did find a 1919 on the +1 image. It is the same very difficult roster.

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  • John Empoliti
    John Empoliti ✭✭✭✭✭
    November 15, 2021

    @annewandering , I'm not happy to hear that you also cannot see them. I do hope that they restore that capability soon. I miss it. @Melissa S Himes , thanks for the tip. I will try it and see what is involved in doing it.

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  • Melissa S Himes
    Melissa S Himes ✭✭✭✭✭
    November 16, 2021 edited November 16, 2021

    How did you see a +1 image, @annewandering if you can't see reference images? I am confused. This is not the first time a moderator has mentioned something being in a reference image and also being able to see what is in a batch that hasn't been shared with a batch code.

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