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GaryAChristopher
GaryAChristopher ✭
October 31, 2021 edited July 16, 2024 in Family Tree

Donna Jane Bertolero L6KT-XYW has one set of vital information on the Detail page but an entirely different set of vital information on the Discovery page. Why? Shouldn't they match on such critical details?

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  • GaryAChristopher
    GaryAChristopher ✭
    October 31, 2021

    Similar problem with her first husband, Thomas Franklin Binkley KZP3-PZB - his life summary does not include either of his two other wives or any of his 4 children...

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  • NidaFL
    NidaFL ✭✭✭
    November 1, 2021

    Concerning Donajine Bertolero 1923–1996

    Although her Person/Detail page lists 3    husbands, the only one that appears on the Discovery page is the relationship that has been designated as preferred. In both Family Search/Family Tree The Vital information (birth and death ) for L6KT-XYW Donna Jane Bertoleo are the same on her discovery page as well as in the Vital section on her Person Page.

    What differences are you seeing?

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  • GaryAChristopher
    GaryAChristopher ✭
    November 1, 2021
    https://community.familysearch.org/en/discussion/comment/390293#Comment_390293

    Names do not match (Donna Jane vs Donajine)

    Birth dates and places do not match (28 March 1922, Casper, Wyoming, vs abt 1923, Wyoming)

    Death dates and places do not match (12 July 1996 vs July 1996)


    What good does the "improved" Discovery page do if it does not include ALL the information on the Detail page and MATCH 100%?

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  • GaryAChristopher
    GaryAChristopher ✭
    November 1, 2021 edited November 1, 2021
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    The information is clearly not the same

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  • GaryAChristopher
    GaryAChristopher ✭
    November 1, 2021

    Additionally, her Discovery page lists 0 sources while her Detail page lists 15.

    I'm not seeing any upside to the Discovery page based on this (limited) sample of one individual...

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  • GaryAChristopher
    GaryAChristopher ✭
    November 1, 2021

    Regarding the "Preferred" marriage: I change Donna Jane's preferred marriage from Thomas Franklin Binkley to Mart Fred Flinn on her detail page. However, her discovery page still shows only the marriage to Thomas. If it's supposed to switch based on the Preferred marriage, how long is it supposed to take? Why doesn't it show the child(ren) of the marriage?

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  • Brett .
    Brett . ✭✭✭✭✭
    November 1, 2021 edited November 1, 2021

    @GaryAChristopher

    FYI

    I am just another 'lowly User/Patron ...

    [ And, I am certainly not, defending; or, promoting, the "Discover Pages"; or, use thereof ... ]

    Just in passing ...

    Regarding Donna Jane BERTOLERO ( L6KT-XYW )

    Just so that you are aware ...

    The REASON, that the CURRENT specific "Vital" information, is NOT appearing on the "Discover Page" is that You ONLY made those "Changes" to the "Name"; "Birth"; and, "Death", Yesterday, 31 October 2021; as, it can take up to a number of Weeks (at least x2); BEFORE, any "Changes" made in "Family tree" of 'FamilySearch', are "Synchronised" with (and, as such, appear in), the corresponding "Discovery Page", for the individual/person - it is NOT "Immediate".

    EXAMPLE:

    Name

    https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/changelog/L6KT-XYW/preferred-name

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    Birth

    https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/changelog/L6KT-XYW/birth

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    Death

    https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/changelog/L6KT-XYW/death

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    "Family Tree", of 'FamilySearch'; and, "Ancestors.FamilySearch", of 'FamilySearch', are two (x2) separate and distinct Programmes, that run independently to each other, although the latter relies/feed from the former.

    "Ancestors.FamilySearch", of 'FamilySearch', is every so often (about every x2 Weeks) "Synchronised" with "Family Tree", of 'FamilySearch', to take into account, any RECENT "Changes", that NEED to be reflected, on the "Discovery Pages", in "Ancestors.FamilySearch", of 'FamilySearch'.

    Plus ...

    We have been advised, that the "Discovery Pages" ONLY list ONE Spouse.

    As to what criteria is used, to "Choose" WHICH "Spouse" is displayed, that is another matter; and, debatable.

    As, such does not appear be, TOTALLY dependent, on the "Preferred" Couple/Family relationship chosen; especially, if the "Preferred" Spouse DOES NOT have a "Discovery Page".

    And, also ...

    IF, the FIRST (or, NEXT) Spouse(s) DOES NOT have a "Discovery Page"; THEN, they certainly will NOT appear on the "Discovery Page" of you Ancestor.

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    Remember:

    The "Discovery Pages", in "Ancestors.FamilySearch", are ONLY, simply, to enable (SOME of) the individuals/persons, in "Family Tree", of 'FamilySearch', to be "Found" (ie. located), by ANYONE, doing a search on the INTERNET, for such an individuals/persons.

    The "Discovery Pages", in "Ancestors.FamilySearch", are NOT any form of definitive "Resource" for Genealogy/Family History research.

    The "Discovery Pages", in "Ancestors.FamilySearch", are simply to bring OTHERS, not aware of; or, already associated with, "Family Tree", of 'FamilySearch', TO discover 'FamilySearch'; and, especially, to enable them, to participate in, "Family Tree", of 'FamilySearch', if the so desire - nothing more, nothing less.

    And ...

    NOT All individuals/persons, in 'Family Tree", of 'FamilySearch', have "Discovery Pages", in "Ancestors.FamilySearch".

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    Just my thoughts.

    Again, I am certainly not, defending; or, promoting, the "Discover Pages"; or, use thereof.

    I know that this may not particularly help; but, I hope this gives you some, insight; and, perspective.

    Brett

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  • Julia Szent-Györgyi
    Julia Szent-Györgyi ✭✭✭✭✭
    November 1, 2021

    @NidaFL, the Discovery page's choice of spouse has absolutely nothing to do with the "preferred" checkmark, as that's a per-user choice, and the whole point of Discovery pages is that they're not behind the login fence.

    The Discovery page shows the first spouse, that is, the spouse at the top of the Family Members section on the person's detail page. (More precisely, the Discovery page shows the spouse that appeared at the top of the Family Members section at the time when the Discovery page was last updated.)

    If none of the spouses have any relationship events entered, then the first spouse is the one whose name comes first alphabetically. If one spouse has a relationship event but the others don't, then the one with the event is first. If multiple spouses have events, then the one with the chronologically earliest event is first. (I would assume that if multiple spouses have events with identical dates, then it would be back to alphabetical by name. That's how it does it for siblings in a family, anyway.)

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  • GaryAChristopher
    GaryAChristopher ✭
    November 1, 2021

    If the pages are only synchronized every two weeks or so, then the possibilities of inaccuracies based on someone relying solely on the discovery page are very high. This, the usefulness of the discovery page is minimal at best. Why were they even created, given the limited/incomplete information and the infrequent synchronization with FamilySearch?

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  • Amy Archibald
    Amy Archibald ✭✭✭✭✭
    November 2, 2021

    @GaryAChristopher

    The Discovery Pages are intended to be found via Google by those who do not yet have FamilySearch accounts. It gives them a little taste of their ancestor/family/relative and they are invited to create a FamilySearch account and add to the Tree.

    https://www.familysearch.org/en/help/helpcenter/article/fix-errors-on-a-family-tree-discovery-page

    The overlay for getting Help on editing and updating the Discovery Pages will be available soon. Links to Help Center articles like this one above will be available to those without accounts in the future.

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  • dontiknowyou
    dontiknowyou ✭✭✭✭✭
    November 3, 2021

    Discovery of these very public Discovery Pages seems to be causing a lot of umbrage, especially when the person is living. Oops.

    Many times I have been working on a profile, in the middle of a complex de-conflation, when suddenly it gets that banner announcing a new discovery page, and I cringe! I wish I could turn that off, because the family is all messed up.

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  • KathyleneJenson1
    KathyleneJenson1 ✭
    November 6, 2021

    Wondering what has happened to my screen format. I cannot read messages on my message page because the size of page is too large and can't be adjusted and cuts off the print. The margins and information on memories page are larger than the actual document. My whole home page is way too large and can't be changed. I have tried several computers and have the same problem of not being able to adjust the size of the screen. Seems like this problem just recently started. Can you help me?

    Thank you

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  • Brett .
    Brett . ✭✭✭✭✭
    November 6, 2021

    @KathyleneJenson1

    Kathylene

    I am just another 'lowly' User/Patron ...

    That seems odd ...

    I have been working in THREE (x3) DIFFERENT "Browsers" ...

    ▬ 'Google' "Chrome"; and/or

    ▬ 'Mozilla' "FireFox"; and/or,

    ▬ 'Microsoft' "Edge",

    ALL, with the "Operating System", of 'Microsoft' "Windows 10'

    And, where ALL "Browsers" (and, "Operating System") were up-to-date with the "Latest" versions.

    NOT experiencing what you are reporting ...

    Question: Are ALL the "Versions", of your Browser(s) [and, "Operating System"] up-to-date?

    As an aside ...

    Just in case ...

    Question: Have you checked the "Zoom" on the "Browser", is such GREATER than 100%, which is normal.

    Often, if the "Zoom" on the "Browser", is such GREATER than 100%, I have experienced similar.

    Furthermore ...

    Here is an "Oldie"; but, still a 'Goodie" ...

    Try "Clearing", the "Cookies"; and, the "Cache" (plus: Even, "Browsing History"), on your Computer.

    Such DOES NOT always work; but, sometimes, it does.

    Good Luck.

    I hope this may help. somewhat.

    Brett

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  • KathyleneJenson1
    KathyleneJenson1 ✭
    November 8, 2021

    Thank you Brett. I will try your suggestions

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