Temple Reservation Filters
Could a "next ordinance to be performed" filter be added to Temple__My Reservations?
Currently, if I try to filter on a specific ordinance that I'd like to perform, it includes individuals who still need prior ordinances. It doesn't tell me this until I print the ordinance card(s).
Thank you for your consideration.
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We agree with this needed enhancement. If a patron selects that they want to go to the temple to do an endowment ordinance, Family Search should NOT be identifying individuals for that ordinance who have not received the preparatory ordinances (i.e. baptism, confirmation, and initiatory).
The following message is on the Church's website: "Ordinances for family names must be done in proper sequence—baptism, confirmation, Melchizedek Priesthood ordination (males), initiatory, endowment, and then sealing."
Family Search should be supporting this direction.
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Have you tried this?
- In the View section (at the top) click "Perform Next".
- In the Filter by Ordinance section, uncheck everything except the ordinance you want to do.
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Yes. I have tried the filter you mention. For example, when selecting endowment, it will bring up individuals who have not had baptisms, confirmations or initiatory. Family Search should not be suggesting to patrons to do temple ordinances out of sequence.
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Are you sure you are setting the filters properly? When I try filtering it works just fine:
Every single person on the list has B/C/I completed. But you do have to have only Perform Next and only one ordinance checked. This works for very nicely for B/C, I, and E. For SP the routine only checks that the child's previous ordinances are completed, not the parents. And the filter does not really work for couple sealings. Those we need to check that all previous ordinances have been completed if we are doing these ourselves.
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Thomas
I am just another 'lowly' User/Patron ...
[ And, I happen to be a Member of the Church ... ]
As an aside ...
Just so that you are aware ...
The matters of BOTH, "Sealing to Spouse"; and, "Sealing to Parents", for a Child, is/are an ongoing dilemma, for many Members of the Church.
The matter, has been canvased, on numerous occasions, in the various 'iterations' for the 'FamilySearch' Forums.
One does not really have to be too concerned ...
For starters ...
In regards to "Sealing to Spouse" ...
Here are Two (x2), IMPORTANT; and, specific, 'Knowledge Articles" in 'FamilySearch':
Why was a sealing ordinance done out of order?
Where it states, among other things:
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While ordinances should be completed in the correct sequence, you may find that sealing-to-spouse ordinances have been done before the individual ordinances.
If a sealing-to-spouse ordinance was done out of order, you should simply make sure that the rest of the ordinances get done. You do not need to report the issue to FamilySearch Support. Nor do you need to redo the sealing. The sealing becomes valid after the individual ordinances are done.
This is also true of the sealing-to-parents ordinance. Since it is listed on the child's individual ordinance card, the process allows you to do the sealing-to-parents without doing the parents' individual ordinances first. As with the sealing-to-spouse ordinance, the sealing becomes valid after the individual ordinances are done.
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And ...
Sealing a couple before doing other ordinances
Where it states:
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Whenever possible, a couple should be endowed before being sealed to each other.
However, it is not required in order to perform the sealing to spouse.
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Those last two (x2) sentences/statements are say it all ...
Again, one does not have too be concerned ...
In other words ... 'don't sweat the small stuff' ... 'all will sort itself out in time' ...
Furthermore ...
Taking the matter even further ...
We have been advised, that regardless if "Ordinances" are done 'Out of Sequence', not to worry; as, those "Ordinances" that are done 'Out of Sequence' simply DO NOT take effect, UNTIL the prerequisite "Ordinances" are "Completed".
And, most importantly ...
"Ordinances" that are done 'Out of Sequence' DO NOT have to be done again; as, they are STILL "Valid".
Here are some "Knowledge Articles" in 'FamilySearch':
Ordinances performed out of order
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/ordinances-performed-out-of-order
Which states, among other things:
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Vicarious ordinances performed out of sequence are valid, but they become effective only after the prerequisite ordinances are completed.
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And ...
Correct order of temple ordinances
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/correct-order-of-temple-ordinances
Which states, among other things:
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Although vicarious ordinances performed out of sequence are valid, they become effective only after the prerequisite ordinances are completed.
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And ...
Of course ...
Why are the temple ordinance dates out of order in Family Tree?
Where it states, among other things:
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- The ordinances were inadvertently or intentionally performed out of order in error.
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Plus ...
Most IMPORTANTLY ...
In one of the aforementioned "Knowledge Article":
Ordinances performed out of order
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/ordinances-performed-out-of-order
Which states, among other things:
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It is preferable to have the ordinances done in sequence
[ Note: The Words ... It is preferable ]
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And ...
In the other of the aforementioned "Knowledge Article":
Correct order of temple ordinances
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/correct-order-of-temple-ordinances
It also states, among other things:
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The FamilySearch Family Tree website does not clear ordinances if prerequisite ordinances have not been cleared or performed.
[ And ]
- Sealing of a husband and wife and sealing of children to parents (if possible). Whenever possible, parents should be sealed to each other before the children are sealed to the parents.
[ Note: The Words ... Whenever possible ]
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So, basically ...
The choice is yours.
And, for the "Sealing to Parents" for a Child ...
Remember, that the "Temple" Work, relates to the Child; and, NOT, the to Parents.
So ...
That Said ...
Regardless, of the status, of "Temple" Work of the Parents, the "Sealing to Parents" for a Child CAN be undertaken.
I know that this might not give you comfort and address your concerns; but, I hope that this gives you some more, insight; and, perspective.
Brett
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@Gordon Collett thanks for the screenshots showing just what is needed. I had honestly not paid attention to the "Perform Next" option! That is superb for someone who has hundreds of reserved names, haha! Just when you think you know what's there...someone opens your eyes. Much appreciated!
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