this is a strange one but I cannot tract back my husbands family side as his grandmother and grandfather lived in dorset england along with a third person
As his grandfather twenty years older than his wife could not have children they lived as a threesome and when the old man died the third person changed his surname to the grandfathers name and the later married the wife
I can track back to1742 the original family but not the family of the third person who was the real father of my husbands mother
Jill 2021 ✭✭✭
Thank you for asking this question in Community.
Where you can find this information depends on the time when these events took place.
Some English historical records may be able to assist you. A good place to begin your research may be the FamilySearch.org Research Wiki. Here is a link to the Dorset wiki page.
On the right upper side of that page is a blue Guided Research link that may help you too.
Wishing you great success as you seek after your ancestor!1
Many thanks I will try this0
Thanks Jill but I still came to a dead end here
My husbands' grandfather Henry Augustus Hammond Dunn (of the Dunn Seed family) born 1894 married my husbands grandmother Olive Waller in 1914 in Christchurch, Hampshire, England. At the time he was 40 and Olive was 20. As he could not have children Tommy George joined the relationship and was my husbands biological father. When Henry died Tommy changed his name to Dunn and then in 1956 married Olive in Surrey
I have been unable to trace back my husbands real grandfather Tommy George as I have no middle name and cannot find anything to go by since his name change seems to have caused an issue
Any further ideas would be great
Many thanks Ellen0
Am I understanding that Henry could not have children and he married Olive in 1914, but Tommy George [who may actually have been christened Thomas George] fathered your husband's biological father. Do you have details about when Tommy was born or where he may have died since he is your husband's biological father? With only a name it is almost impossible to find sources that will allow you to expand the biological pedigree. Sometimes getting a copy of the actual birth, marriage and death records will help you to find information that is on the record but which has not even been indexed. Usually we do need dates and locations, however, to help find those vital records.
Sadly, we have to begin our research with what we know and we should avoid speculation which often leads to linking incorrect individuals together, but some speculation such as perhaps searching for a birth or christening record for a Thomas George from Hampshire, England.
I am curious about one comment in your explanation, however. If Henry Dunn marriage Olive in 1914 and he was 40, he would not have been born in 1894. He would have been born in 1874, and it would have been Olive who was born in about 1894. If Thomas married Olive in 1956, their marriage record might pin-down additional information if there is an image available for the actual marriage record.
I did find a marriage record for both marriages, and Tommy is listed as Thomas Dunn in the 1956 marriage record. I don't see that an image is available at FamilySearch, but I do know that we partner with FindMyPast where there are often records and images available that we do not have access to. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVD2-TFHQ
You have probably already found this record at FamilySearch. Please note that it comes from the England and Wales Marriage Registration Index, 1837-2005. This collection is an index to marriages registered in England and Wales beginning 1 July 1837 through 2005. The index includes name, record type, year, quarter, district, county, volume, and page number. The index is arranged in volumes by years with the entries listed alphabetically. These indexes can be used to order a copy of the actual certificate. Index courtesy of Findmypast.com.
With that being said, I wish you success as your continue your research.0
Because this concern is related to doing research, we will move it from the Other Category to the Community Search Help Center Category so that others with a similar research question can find the discussion.0
Sorry Henry was born in 1874 and Tommy George was my husbands mothers ( Beryl Patricia Dunn) biological father hence my husband Johns real grandfather although he always thought Henry was his grandfather
Many thanks for your help
Would you like to share a person ID here so others can take a look?0
Yes that would be great thanks0
Yes that would be great thanks0
Okay... Looking at Family Tree, I see you have not been working there, @Judith EllenAnsell. To bypass Family Tree is to disregard a lot of valuable information and synthesis. There is this:
L2Z4-2FM Henry Augustus Hammond Dunn (March 1874 – Deceased)
But so far his wife and her second husband have not been worked up in Family Tree. That would be a good place to start.0
Yes thanks I have tried looking there
Henry was born in Gillingham Dorset 30 January 1874 and died at the age of 80 12th August 1954 at 3 Owls Road Boscombe Dorset it was after this that Thomas George changed his name to Dunn and then married Olive in 1956 in Surrey England. Olive then died in 1977 at the age of 83 in North Bucks Buckinghamshire.
I am unable to come up with anything for Thomas George (Dunn) as he is my husbands real biological grandfather.
We understand. Like almost everyone, you have a brick wall.
- One way to tackle a brick wall is to go around it. Work all other family and household members.
- Another way is to do an exhaustive search: all persons named Thomas George or Thomas Dunn born in the UK in the correct general timeframe. All families with surname George in the same parish. Etc.
- A third: build your tree in Family Tree. Let the community help you, and make the most of the unique and very powerful Research Hints feature of Family Tree.
- Reach out more. Surnames Dunn and George are not registered with the Guild of One Name Studies (one-name.org), but the Guild databases do have a lot of records for both surnames. The surname Waller is registered; you could email the study point of contact to see if they have worked on Olive Waller and her family. The Guild is based in England.