Link from Geni lead to person's birth document, but when searching,dont find same person's documents
Hello,
In Geni.com I saw the record of
Jozsef (Moshe) Mor Breznitz (birth: :15 December 1883, Reca, Senec District, Bratislava Region, Slovakia
Death :07 JULY, 1944 (60) Auschwitz, Poland (War victim).
There is a link leading to his birth document, where I can see the original document
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When I am entering FamilySearch and search records I do not find him (it happens the same with some other persons that I I can get to their records only with Link from Geni.com
The search definitions is in the attached file:
Thanks in advance,
Regards,
sa
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@SandorAlexander, I typed in that translation of the entry for you myself. I did not cut-and-paste that text from anywhere on FamilySearch, and this forum is the only place on FS where it currently exists (until you use it somewhere, that is).
Registers that have index entries associated with them on FamilySearch have a magnifying-glass icon in the Catalog. The Jewish register for Szencz/Senec has only the camera icon, so there are no index entries associated with it anywhere on FamilySearch. It's just the digital images.
Many of the Jewish registers on FS actually have indexes on a different site, JewishGen, but I did not turn up anything from Szencz there, either.
There is an ongoing indexing project on FamilySearch that's working on church and synagogue records in Slovakia; I would expect it to eventually get to this film, but it does not appear to have happened yet. It's a particularly slow project, because of the way FamilySearch issues indexing batches at random; it makes multi-lingual material like this rather hard to match up to the right volunteer. (I'm fluent in Hungarian and can manage both Latin and some German, but even I end up returning more batches than I index, because inevitably it gives me the Cyrillic or Czech ones.)
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@SandorAlexander I'm working to understand your post, in an effort to assist. The jpg you attached shows results from 3 US databases. It is not clear, to me, how that relates to your issue.
Have you tried contacting the contributor on geni.com?
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Thanks,
I'll try to explain again the problem.
My goal is to find persons' birth documents and other events documents.
In the attached jpg I showed the way I am searching now, for birth record of Yosef Breznitz
and as you can see, I do not find anything relevant to me.
This happens although I know that a birth record of him, exist in FamilySearch,
in fact, I see it when I use the link from Geni.
Please tell me what is wrong in the way I search, are'nt there enough definitions?
and how should I ececute my search, in order to find the relevant data.
If you can send me a screenshot of search page, with all the definitions that will lead
to the existing birth record of Yosef Breznitz
Reagrds,
sa
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Your link (not the jpg, but the www.familysearch.org/ark URL) is to an image of a birth register page containing the record you're looking for. Can you not see that?
Here's another link to the same image:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939F-YX9X-9V?i=69&cc=1554443
It's Film # 004628620, Image 70 of 796. You can go to a specific image on a specific film using the Catalog (https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog): choose "Film/Fiche Number", put in 4628620, choose the section you need (the Jewish records, "Židovská obec. Senec"), scroll down to the "Film/Digital Notes" section, and click the camera icon next to the film number. (They're both the same in this case, but when there's a lot of them, I use CTRL-F to find the right line.) This puts you on Image 1 of 796; enter 70 in place of that 1 to go to the image you need.
Another way to find it is using the waypoints: on the collection's search page (https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1554443), scroll down below the search fields and click the "Browse through ..." link, then choose Jewish, then Senec for the county, then Senec for the place, then the first of the two volumes (Births ... 1851-1885), then enter 66 in the Image number field at the top left of the image.
Slovakia Church and Synagogue Books - Jewish - Senec - Senec - Births, marriages, deaths, indexes 1851-1885 - Image 66 of 209
Number 38.
Name: Josef Mor Breznitz
Date: December 15, 1883
male, legitimate
Father: Izsák Breznitz, Rabbi
Mother: Betti born Schön
Residence: Réthe
Midwife: Pöm
Circumcision: 22 December, M.L. Koralek
Witness/sponsor: Leopold Sonnenfeld
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The reason your searches by name are failing to come up with it is that it is not indexed. (The computer can't read the handwriting, and nobody has told it what it says.) It doesn't matter what you enter as search terms; the record is not in that database. Someone browsed through the images, page by page, to find the record and (somehow, miraculously) attach it on Geni. (I have completely given up on Geni, in large part because it makes citing sources so impossible.)
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hello,
I will try to learn more about searching for records.
Thanks to Áine Ni Donnghaile and Julia Szent-Györgyi that tried to help.
Julia Szent-Györgyi , I will try to use also the collection's search page.
about "..the record you're looking for. Can you not see that? ..." - I want to say that I see the record and that is very useful
about "...your searches by name are failing to come up with it is that it is not indexed. (The computer can't read the handwriting ..."
It is true that the computer ( for the current moment) is not reading the handwriting, but somehow this work were done already, in fact all the details are already in the Familysearch site as digital data, like names and dates that you yourself cutted and pasted it in order to explain to me. So, I still do not understand why it is not searchable.
Thanks again, and as i said I will to try to get more from online help about searches.
Regrds, sa
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A record must be indexed to be searchable by name. That means a volunteer has gone through the records in a particular microfilm and typed what they see. That work has not been done yet on the digitized film you are viewing. That means it can not be searched by name but can be browsed - viewed page by page - to find the record you want.
More about the FamilySearch indexing process here https://www.familysearch.org/indexing/
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