Gugi Family of Altnau TG
I need some help reading the detailed notes that accompany the Baptism record of Hans Georg Gugi. He was Baptised at Altnau in the Canton of Thurgau on 29 September 1700.
I understand the basic gist of the notes, but I feel that I am missing some important details. It seems that Hans Georg was a Lieutenant? Did he die in 1769? His wife is from the former Prince-Bishopric of Basel. Is she from Seltisberg? What else does the record say?
I cannot provide a link to this record as I received it from a FamilySearch Affiliate Library.
Thank you for all of your assistance!
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Yes - it's a pity Thurgau records cannot be accessed from home.
The writer of the original records likely wasn't fond of the dots indicating an umlaut: he writes Jorg (where Jörg would be the standard), Nageli (where it definitively should be Nägeli) - so I assume we are also looking für Gügi (not Gugi). Gügi have been citizens of Zuben since before 1800 - would fit parish Altnau. Most likely they would be reformed (Altnau also is a catholic parish). Can you confirm this?
Basics (which will not be new for you): Hanß Jörg (= Georg) was baptised 29 Sep 1700, son of Hanß Jörg Gügi and Anna Schmidhauser. Witnesses were Jacob Nägeli and Anna Engelin (female form of either Engel or Engeli - both exist in Thurgau).
Now for the problematic part: especially the first note is impossible to decipher with confidence.
According to the second note a Barthelemy Gugy married 16 Feb 1769. I assume the year 1769 in the first note refers to this event. 1769 war dieser laut übersandter ….. Capit… Lieut[nant] unter dem ..... Regiment der ..... in Holland. War verheurathet mit der sel[igen] Jeanne Therese Rees [Rais?? - would be an old family from Delsberg] de Delsbourg [Delsberg / Delémont] Evechè de Bale. Von welcher ein Sohn namens [# continued at bottom of page]
Barthelemy Gugy, cop[uliert] 1769, d[en] 16. Febr, mit: Jeanne Elisabeth Teissier, née à Paris, fille de Monsieur Guillaume Teissier, Banquier, etabli à Paris, né[e] à Anda…., et de Dame Elisabeth Barthelemy, son epouse, née à Mompelier [Montpelier].
Diese copulation wurde vollzogen zu Paris in der Capell der ……… von Hhh [hochwürdigem Herrn] De La Broue, Chapellain de La Chapelle de Leur …….
What confuses me is the Dame Elisabeth Barthelemy as mother-in-law of Barthelemy Gügi: is that really her surname?
What next?
1) As you got this file from a FamilySearch Affiliate Library I assume this is the full resolution available. For better resolution one would have to see the original book. To my knowledge in canton Thurgau most church records are still with the local archives, not the State Archive.
2) Of interest might be the Bevölkerungsverzeichnis Altnau from (started) 1710: not online - would have to be consulted at Zürich State Archive:
3) If you agree, I could post a request for reading help on https://www.geneal-forum.com/, where many experienced, Swiss resident researchers participate.
BTW - I had proposed a structure for discussion titles on https://community.familysearch.org/de/discussion/129680/what-title-would-be-best-for-postings and hope for many opinions: what do you think about this? Alternatively you could just adopt this format in your future postings 😉.
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A very helpful staff member from the Thurgau State Archive has scanned the relevant sections of the film for me with higher resolution and adapted contrast / brightness:
1769 war dieser laut übersandten Attestaths Capitain Lieut[nant] unter dem Schweizer Regiment der H[ochwürdigen] Gen[eral] Staaten in Holland. War verheurathet mit der sel[igen] Jeanne Therese Rees [Rais would be an old family from Delsberg] de Delsbourg [Delsberg / Delémont] Evechè de Basle. Von welcher ein Sohn namens [# continued at bottom of page]
Barthelemy Gugy, cop[uliert] 1769, d[en] 16. Febr, mit: Jeanne Elisabeth Teissier, née à Paris, fille de Monsieur Guillaume Teissier, Banquier, etabli à Paris, né[e] à Andaze(?), et de Dame Elisabeth Barthelemy, son epouse, née à Mompelier [Montpelier].
Diese copulation wurde vollzogen zu Paris in der Capell der HHhh General Staaten von Hhh [hochwürdigem Herrn] De La Broue, Chapellain de La Chapelle de Leur Nantes Paissanes.
General Staaten see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_General_of_the_Netherlands
Nantes Paissanes see https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pays_nantais
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As the remarks tell such an interesting story, I have also posted this to https://www.geneal-forum.com/phpbb/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=32021- resulting in additional information, which may also be of interest to you.
One point is the confirmation that the origin of Guillaume Teissier should read Anduze.
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Wolf, I am terribly sorry that it has taken me so long to respond to you! I am deeply grateful for all of your help and kindness. There is so much valuable information in these documents.
Thank you for sharing this story with the people at Geneal-Forum. I will post a message of gratitude there. The documents about the Barthelemy family, especially about the matters about their religion and education were fascinating to read.
I made two other discoveries I want to share with you about the Gugi family. They are taken from the parish register of the Reformed Church in Altnau.
1) I found a record of the Baptism of Hans Conrad Gugi from October of 1735. Unfortunately, the record can barely be read. It is at the very bottom of the page on the right-hand side.
2) I found a record of the Baptism of Bartholomew Gugi on 1 January 1737.
The records show Jeanne Therese Rees/Rais was from Delsberg/Delemont in the former Prince-Bishopric of Basel. Now, Delsberg/Delemont is part of the Canton of Jura. Unfortunately, the parish registers of Delsberg/Delemont can only be consulted at a FamilySearch Affiliate Library. I spent most of Saturday morning studying the parish register looking a record of Jeanne Therese's Baptism, but I could not find one. There is no searchable index nor have the parish registers been indexed either. It was very slow going. The name Rees/Rais is quite common in the town, but I could not find a record of Jeanne Therese's Baptism there. I checked from 1695 to 1720. It is possible that I missed it, but I checked very slowly and carefully.
I like your proposal for the names of new discussion threads. It is easier to access and understand the nature of the thread at a quick glance.
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