Herisau AR - death - 1833 - Schiess - transcription

Jan Haderlie

My 4th great-grandfather, Hans Jacob Schiess, died 14 June 1833 in Herisau, Appenzell Ausserrhoden, Switzerland. Here is the link for the above image, https://www.kirchenbuecher-ar.ch/book/ZKB-02-B21/25/single

The name listed on 14 June does not look like Hans Jacob Schiess. I am just learning how to read Kurrent so I need help.

Thanks,

Jan Haderlie

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WSeelentag

I assume you mean entry #25 (died 14 / buried 16 June):

Des Hs. Jakob Büchler ehel[iches] S[öhn]l[ein] / Schwellb[runn] / Todtgeboren.

So this is the stillborn (unnamed) son of Hans Jakob Büchler. Büchler were citizens of Schwellbrunn.

What is your source for Hans Jacob Schiess, dying 14 June 1833 in Herisau? What I see frequently is a misunderstanding, mixing up the place of citizenship (e.g. Herisau) with the place of an event (birth, marriage, death). Is it possible that your Hans Jacob Schiess was a citizen of Herisau - but lived/dyed somewhere else?

On second thoughts: you may have gotten the wrong death register - it is for "Beisässen", i.e. persons living in Herisau without being citizens. Problem: I don't find the correct record book - there death register for Herisau citizens seems to end 1829, which I find hard to believe (will try to follow this up).

WSeelentag

Had missed it at first sight ☹. You are looking for https://www.kirchenbuecher-ar.ch/book/ZKB-02-B19/34/single:

#34 / 14-16 Junii / H[an]s Jakob Scheuss [spellings were not fixed at this time!], der sel[ig] Mar[ia] Magd[alena] Baumann hinterl[assener] Witwer / 77 J[ahr] 4 M[onat].

Hans Jacob Scheuss/Schiess was the widower of the late Maria Magdalena Baumann, and he died aged 77 years and 4 months.

Glad I found it after all 😊.

Jan Haderlie

Thank you so much. I am very new at reading Kurrent and only know the German words for genealogy terms but I have learned to recognize my ancestor's names. The first record did not look right. I originally got the information from Julius Billeter records but wanted to find the original records to confirm his information. Learning to read the handwriting is a steep learning curve.

Thanks again,

Jan Haderlie

Jan Haderlie

What are the words at the top of the page?

WSeelentag

Hello Jan,

is this connected to Schiess von Herisau? To be honest - I doubt that: looks like a Billeter record for a family in canton Bern. When asking about a different family, please, always(!) start a new topic.

If this is the case, I would prefer if you start a new topic with that screenshot (and I assume I can delete it here). Title could be

Arch BE - Billeter record - 1770/1840 - Schlup - confirm transcription

.... even if this likely already answers your question ;-) ... but you could ask follow-up questions on this family.

Jan Haderlie

Thanks, will start a new topic. I was hoping it was Schiess in Herisau. I will keep looking.

WSeelentag

"I was hoping it was Schiess in Herisau."

Do I understand you were hoping this Billeter document would help you with your Schiess of Herisau research?

Well - never say never 😉 - but I don't see a connection, all seems to be the Schlup family of Arch in canton Bern only. So, unless you have an indication that one of your Schiess people got married to a Schlup of Arch (both families would be reformed, so I cannot exclude this for sure), there is not much point to start the new topic I had suggested.