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Seth3844
Seth3844 ✭
June 3 in Family Tree

Greetings, I was wondering if I might have assistance finding the parents of an ancestor I'm researching. The major difficulty stems from a large presence of extended family members in the region, with even many family trees on Ancestry.com ignoring the warnings of other to not cite the commonly disproven ancestors of the individual in question. The ancestor is: Charles Cummins (b. 23 Apr. 1780, Lee, VA - d. 13 Mar. 1852, Henry, IN). I'll paste all of the sources that I collected so far down below, along with a warning of mixup with another Cummins family branch that another member on WikiTree posted.

I attempted to go in the archives online of probates, court records, deeds, and estate taxes for Monroe County, VA, (1780-1820) which is where I know he resided because of the marriage record and a census that matched perfectly with the age brackets and household size in 1810 (there's another Charles in the 1810 census that doesn't match). The only thing I found was a grantee/grantor document with Joshua Mitchell, his father-in-law through marriage, on it giving 150 acres of "Hans Creek" land to a Charles Cummins, which I can assume must have been him. In that same document, it appears Charles later gave a parcel of that land to another Cummins, but I believe it was one of other branches of Cummins, which I assume can infer a relationship with the other Cummins of the area through a distant biological relationship.

I thought I had a breakthrough when I saw that other Cummins' also moved to Henry Co, IN, from Monroe Co, but they were of the same descendancy of the aforementioned branch IIRC, where Charles wasn't a direct descendant. This led me to believe that even if they don't have the same parents, they have to certainly be related among a larger cluster of Cummins, unless it was by coincidence (such as a new wagon trail or local advertisement that drew Monroe families to that location). An old Ancestry profile comment mentioned that Charles had a brother named James F. Cummins, who like him, was a minister in the Southern Indiana region, but it wasn't sourced, and I couldn't find anything helpful about this James. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

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The heed of warning:

DNA has proved that Robert Cummins is NOT the father of Charles Cummins (1780-1852) or the father of James Cummins (1790-1870) as some researchers claim and has been wrongfully added to the Family Members list below.*

Children of Robert Cummins/Cummings and Delphy Bowling:

1. Frances(Fanny) Cummings b. 25 Sept, 1796—d. Aug 31, 1874,WV, m. John Ellison, Jr. 2. John Cummings b. abt. 1798- d. abt. 1851, VA, m.#1. Betsy Gibson, m.#2. Nancy Broyles,

3. Woodson Cummings b. 17 Feb. 1799—d. 17 Dec.1845, IN., m. Nancy Ellison dau. of John Ellison, Sr.

4. Charles Cummings b. 5 Oct. 1800—d. 7 July 1880 KS, m. Sarah (Sally) Miller,

5. Robert Cummings Jr. b. 27 Jan 1804—d.19 Sept. 1871 IN. m. Nancy Harvey,

6. Mary/Polly Cummings b. 6 Dec. 1805—d. 13 Feb. 1887,Walla Walla, WA, m. Joseph Paul, 7. Nancy Cummings b. 1807, d. Feb. 24 1882, Walla Walla, WA, m.#1.Isaac Harvey. m.#2. Nathan Rounsaville.

Child of Robert Cummins / Cummings and Dicey Harvey Gibson Cummins / Cummings ,

8. Gordon W. Cummings b. 7 Feb. 1815—d. 6 Mar. 1884, WV, m. Sarah Comer

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My collection of sources on Charles Cummins:

Charles married Sarah Mitchel in 1808 in Monroe, West Virginia, United States.<ref>
'''Marriage''':
"West Virginia, U.S., Marriages Index, 1785-1971"<br/>
{{Ancestry Record|2538|5755}} (accessed 2 June 2026)<br/>
Charles Cummins marriage to Sarah Mitchel in 1808 in Monroe, West Virginia, United States.
</ref>

Charles married Sarah Mitchell on 22 October 1808 in Monroe, Virginia, United States.<ref>
'''Marriage''':
"Virginia, U.S., Compiled Marriages, 1740-1850"<br/>
Dodd, Jordan R., Et Al.; Early American Marriages: Virginia to 1850; Publication Place: Bountiful, UT, USA; Publisher: Precision Indexing Publishers<br/>
{{Ancestry Record|3723|17357}} (accessed 2 June 2026)<br/>
Charles Cummins marriage to Sarah Mitchell on 22 Oct 1808 in Monroe, Virginia, USA.
</ref>

In the 1810 census, Charles was in Monroe, Monroe, Virginia, United States.<ref>
'''1810 Census''':
"1810 United States Federal Census"<br/>
Year: 1810; Census Place: Monroe, Monroe, Virginia; Roll: 70; Page: 576; Image: Vam252_70-0019; FHL Roll: 0181430<br/>
{{Ancestry Sharing|14447508|7b22746f6b656e223a226661696d49682b437033775570365634652b4333416c33353070736d636c30315335326878636d6f4363413d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d}} - {{Ancestry Record|7613|696770}} (accessed 2 June 2026)<br/>
Charles Cummins in Monroe, Monroe, Virginia, USA.
</ref>

Charles was in a legal record on 20 August 1838 in Henry, Indiana, United States.<ref>
'''1838 Legal Record''':
"U.S., General Land Office Records, 1776-2015"<br/>
Bureau of Land Management, General Land Office Records; Washington D.C., USA; Federal Land Patents, State Volumes<br/>
{{Ancestry Sharing|62295248|7b22746f6b656e223a226931434451574a6d4c3431526847395061636b66376f56714836535469414759703172445636357a2f38413d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d}} - {{Ancestry Record|1246|160098}} (accessed 2 June 2026)<br/>
Name: Charles Cummins; Issue Date: 20 Aug 1838; Place: Henry, Indiana, USA; Land Office: Indianapolis; Meridian: 2nd PM; Township: 18-N; Range: 10-E; Section: 19; Accession Number: IN3040__.300; Document Number: 29019; Original URL: http://glorecords.blm.gov/details/patent/default.aspx?accession=IN3040__.300&docClass=STA&sid=zzwnz53h.hos
</ref>

In the 1840 census, Charles was in Middle Town, Henry, Indiana.<ref>
'''1840 Census''':
"1840 United States Federal Census"<br/>
Year: 1840; Census Place: Middle Town, Henry, Indiana; Roll: 87; Page: 82; Family History Library Film: 0007727<br/>
{{Ancestry Sharing|62295251|7b22746f6b656e223a227969734548306768714d5235582b735a38384a5244664748576f61546c39694c357930386c317077784b513d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d}} - {{Ancestry Record|8057|3120667}} (accessed 2 June 2026)<br/>
Charles Cunnings in Middle Town, Henry, Indiana.
</ref>

Charles died on 13 March 1850 and was buried at Middletown Pioneer Cemetery, Middletown, Henry County, Indiana, United States.<ref>
'''Burial''':
"U.S., Find a Grave® Index, 1600s-Current"<br/>
{{FindAGrave|21795723}}<br/>
{{Ancestry Record|60525|92258818}} (accessed 2 June 2026)<br/>
Charles Cummins burial (died on 13 Mar 1850) at Middletown Pioneer Cemetery, Middletown, Henry County, Indiana, United States of America. Born on 4 Mar 1781.
</ref>

Charles was in a family history or pedigree on 13 March 1852 in Henry Co., IN (Henry), Indiana, United States.<ref>
'''Family History or Pedigree''':
"Geneanet Community Trees Index"<br/>
Original data: Geneanet Community Trees Index. Paris, France: Geneanet<br/>
{{Ancestry Record|62476|5488081214}} (accessed 2 June 2026)<br/>
Name: Charles Cummins; Gender: M (Male); Birth Date: 23 avr. 1780 (23 Apr 1780); Birth Place: Lee Co., VA (Lee), Virginia, USA; Death Date: 13 mars 1852 (13 Mar 1852); Death Place: Henry Co., IN (Henry), Indiana, USA; Spouse: Sarah Mitchell; Child: James Cummins; View on Geneanet: https://gw.geneanet.org/tdowling?n=cummins&oc=1&p=charles
</ref>

Charles died (age 69) in IN.<ref>
'''Death''':
"U.S., Federal Census Mortality Schedules Index, 1850-1880"<br/>
Original data: Jackson, Ron V., Accelerated Indexing Systems, comp.. AIS Mortality Schedules Index. Compiled and digitized by Mr. Jackson and AIS from microfilmed schedules of the U.S. Federal Decennial Census, territorial/state censuses, and/or census substitutes<br/>
{{Ancestry Record|3530|36557}} (accessed 2 June 2026)<br/>
Charles Cummins death (age 69) in IN. Cause of death: DEBILITY.
</ref>

He was in a record.<ref>
'''Record''':
{{Ancestry Record|48446|351387}} (accessed 2 June 2026).
</ref>

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  • BradNash
    BradNash ✭✭✭
    June 3 edited June 3

    @Seth3844

    I think this is your ancestor:
    https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/9HML-KFR

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  • Seth3844
    Seth3844 ✭
    June 4 edited June 4
    https://community.familysearch.org/en/discussion/comment/629395#Comment_629395

    Hello @Tiffany Farnsworth Nash, yes- that is my ancestor. He's the one I'm trying to find the father and mother for. Thank you.

    Unfortunately I'm not sure how to link the sources I posted above in a neat fashion, so to make it easy to navigate the sources I've already found, I'll just link the Ancestry and WikiTree profiles for Charles Cummins where it might be easier to copy and paste them.

    Ancestry https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/86344821/person/292054169683/facts

    Wikitree https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Cummins-3098

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  • maryellenstevensbarnes1
    maryellenstevensbarnes1 ✭✭✭✭✭
    June 4

    @Seth3844 On Ancestry I took a quick look to find a Charles "Charlie" Cummins birthplace Virginia 1780 whose parents are listed as Rev. Charles "Chad" Cummins, an immigrant and Mildred Millicernt (my opinion proper spelling would be Millicent) Carter.

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  • GFre
    GFre ✭✭✭✭
    June 4

    Hi @Seth3844.

    On page 100 of this book, below the relevant entry, it says F R Cummins is a relative of Charles.

    I think this is F R.

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  • BradNash
    BradNash ✭✭✭
    June 4

    @Seth3844

    I added 2 Sources for you. FYI, the Ancestry tree is private. You may wish to make it public so that others can see it.

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  • BradNash
    BradNash ✭✭✭
    June 4

    @Seth3844

    I reviewed the sources you provided and added as many as I could. Please review the census records to double check (there are 2 1810 records available). The 1830 census gave a middle initial of 'F' so I added it. Saw a reference to a nickname 'Charlie' but no sources for that so added to Name Reason Box.

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  • Seth3844
    Seth3844 ✭
    June 4
    https://community.familysearch.org/en/discussion/comment/629499#Comment_629499

    Fantastic find. The birthplace is significant; I will now change the "Lee, VA" birthplace mentioned everywhere, to Augusta, and see if I can cross reference any other older Cummins in the Augusta vicinity in 1780. Plethora of new info in this short excerpt. Thank you very much, @GFre . Might I ask what catalog you used to find this document? It's beautifully preserved and transcribed for text-finding!

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  • Seth3844
    Seth3844 ✭
    June 4
    https://community.familysearch.org/en/discussion/comment/629532#Comment_629532

    I apologize, I will now make it public. I just received an interesting message from a user on Ancestry. I also looked at the F R Cummins mentioned by @GFre, and if the person who messaged me on Ancestry is correct then F R Cummins would be his grand-nephew. If they were brothers, I believe it would be explicitly mentioned in the memoir document, so I think that can be counted out.

    Ancestry message:

    "I am delighted to get your message and will share with you what I have in my family tree. I have spent years working on my Cummings/Cummins line and like you, have no absolute documented proof but believe the 1810 census and DNA are very convincing.
    In the 1810 Monroe Co, VA census Charles Cummins, Senior and a younger Charles Cummins 1780-1852 live next door to each other. DNA has proven that all the Monroe Co, VA Cummins men are related.
    My line, proven by DNA, is thru Robert Cummins, Sr., 1772-1841. FTDNA shows that my DNA line, thru Robert Cummins, Sr 1772-1841 is connected to Charles Cummins 1780-1852 and they may have been brothers.
    If you have a close male Cummins/Cummings surname relative, I would advise you to have their DNA tested thru FTDNA. I know that John A. Cummins (daddy cummins) from the Charles Cummins 1780-1852 family line, had his DNA tested thru FTDNA.
    Although Ancestry's test says John A. Cummins and I do not have a DNA match, FTDNA has proven our DNA does match."

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  • Seth3844
    Seth3844 ✭
    June 4

    Now, this F R Cummins (Fleming Cummins) happens to be the grandson of Robert Cummins Sr. (1772-1841). So the fact that the memoir says that F R is related to Charles adds more evidence to the claim that he is in fact the brother of Robert Cummins Sr., which would therefore make him the son of Charles Cummins Sr. , the reverend, b. 1732-1812. It's not a smoking gun but I'm becoming more confident in this relation.

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  • Seth3844
    Seth3844 ✭
    June 4

    Just found source of Rev. Charles Cummins (1732-1812) owning property in Augusta, VA in 1767, 13 years prior to recorded birth of Charles Cummins (1780-1850) that we've just found was recorded to be born in that same county.

    Property Record, December 9, 1767, Augusta County, Virginia
    Name: Rev. Charles Cummins
    Date: 9 Dec 1767
    Location: Augusta Co., VA
    Property: 164 acres on a branch of Middle River of Shanando near the North Mountain, Samuel Craig's corner.
    Notes: This land record was originally published in "Chronicles of the Scotch-Irish Settlement in Virginia, 1745-1800. Extracted from the Original Court Records of Augusta County" by Lyman Chalkley.
    Remarks: 120. Property part of 400 acres patented to James Bell, deceased, father of grantor. Delivered to Cumings, Dec 1768.
    Description: Grantee
    Book: 14-214

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  • GFre
    GFre ✭✭✭✭
    June 5
    https://community.familysearch.org/en/discussion/comment/629548#Comment_629548

    Hi @Seth3844. I'm glad I could help! I actually just used Google, searching for his name and the county in quotes to restrict it. The book was on Wikimedia Commons.

    If you haven't been using Full-Text Search here on FamilySearch, that's a great tool for searching documents as well.

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