UK National Archives Military Records Moving From FindMyPast to Fold3?
Please refer to Elijah Haseldine's (K8JB-MLW) 1886 UK, Chelsea Pensioner's Service Records source. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5CK-PNG
The record does not appear to be in FindMyPast.
A search for Elijah in Fold3 produces the following results, that match the description of the source. Page count of 5 and the birth certificate match.
Haseldine, Elijah - Fold3 - UK, Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Service Records, 1760-1925
Can the record citation and source details/hyperlink be updated to the new Fold3 location?
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If I search on FindMyPast.com for the Chelsea Pensioners record for Elijah Hazeldine, I get the expected result. https://www.findmypast.com/transcript?id=GBM%2FWO97%2F5084%2F826632
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What did you see when using the FamilySearch link?
Please refer to Elijah Haseldine's (K8JB-MLW) 1886 UK, Chelsea Pensioner's Service Records source. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5CK-PNG
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As Áine Ní Donnghaile has said, the records are there on Findmypast.
However, I think FamilySearch's wording is MISLEADING, as I believe you can only see the Findmypast record if you are signed in to Findmypast, and Search for the record. From the FamilySearch website I was taken to the Findmypast website which was to a page consisting of record collections, and when I searched for the name given on the FamilySearch record United Kingdom, Chelsea Pensioners' Service Records, 1760-1913, nothing came up.
I needed to sign into FindmyPast (I have a subscription) and independently search for the record.
If you are a LDS church member, you can, I think, have a free Findmypast subscription, but when the FamilySearch record says "View Original Document" I think this is a FALSE STATEMENT
@Maile L , can you refer the wording "View Original Document" for review, as I do not see a Feedback button on the FamilySearch record page.
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FindMyPast has recently made some changes on the FMP website so that links/URLs that previously worked now only take the user to a generic page. I know that has happened with the links in reply emails from FMP when they have acknowledged my report of a transcription/extract error.
That may be the case in this situation so that the user is taken to a generic landing page rather than to the specific page.
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"View Original Document" does not mean that FamilySearch has the image available to view. It means we are providing the location so that if you want to see more, you can know where to look next. Clicking on the image or "View" box gives a message that this image is located on another site and offers to open that site for you. In this case, the National Archives in London is the custodian of the actual record. They currently have a contract with Find My Past, so it takes you there. Clicking the link did take me to the Historical Records search landing page in FMP, not the actual image, which is unfortunate.
A search for his name did provide the result that Áine posted above.
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As the same document is available on Fold3, can you provide this additional location where the image is located?
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You can attach that as additional source if you would like. How do I add an outside source to Family Tree?
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Stuff behind a paywall is infuriating if you don't have a subs to that site. Fold3 is doubly infuriating because you need a subs to both Ancestry and Fold3 (I can't imagine why anyone would only have a Fold3 subs as the search facility is so poor. Well, IIRC, it isn't a search facility, it's a souped-up browse). So directing people to Fold3 is a recipe for disaster for the vast majority.
Secondly, I know of nothing on Fold3 of significance to the UK Military that isn't already accessible via FindMyPast or the TNA (UK National Archives) website. Because Fold3 and FMP / TNA website are differently indexed, it may be that some stuff is indeed accessible on Fold3 but not - apparently - on FMP, say. But the reverse also holds.
But the title of this thread is misleading - stuff is not moving from FMP to Fold3.
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The title is in the form of a question.
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Perhaps there is a cultural difference ( I'm in Australia, not USA) but when you say
where I live definitely implies you will be able to view the or original document. If it means " we are providing the location so that if you want to see more, you can know to where to look next" why does the wording not say so? Why doesn't the wording say "Click here for the website where the record is available". Why, in many instances is the FamilySearch wording so cryptic that unless you have prior knowledge the FamilySearch wording, in my view is MISLEADING .
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@MaureenE123
TY! You are the first to understand my point. And as I probably did not communicate it clearly in my initial statement, I apologize.
My opinion is that AFTER, the research has been completed and the source attached, subsequent viewers of the attached source should NOT have to repeat the search to view the source document(s).
The source details includes the statement “Web Page (Link to the Record)”. Not “here’s a new place to re-search for the source previously attached”.
This particular set of Service Records contains over one million records. How many other FamilySearch users have attached these records as sources, and are no longer able to view the original document?
Kindly, Please correct the broken link, and/or add the Fold3 Web page (Link to the Record).
Cheers, David
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I seldom use the View Original Document where the result is outside FamilySearch, so I can't really comment on whether it goes to the exact document or a collection search or what...
The one bit that I do find both irritating and misleading is when it says "This image is only available on The National Archives, London, England" and you then get offered a button to "Go to The National Archives, London, England".
If you press the button in this case - you go to FindMyPast, not TNA. The error in where you get sent is irritating but it's also misleading in that the National Archives has its own website where one can access and download data. The range of data on their website is fairly restricted and hard work to manipulate (it started out being referred to as "Digital Microfilm", which gives a correct impression).
I am concerned therefore that anyone seeing "Go to The National Archives, London, England" could think - "No thanks, tried that once, why can't I go to FindMyPast?" Which is where one goes in this particular case!
@Maile L - could you pass on a request to remove the stuff about "This image is only available on The National Archives, London, England" and the button "Go to The National Archives, London, England" and replace them with the usual buttons for "View on FindMyPast" and "Go To FindMyPast"? (Those aren't quite the right words but I'm sure the usual text can be found.) (It gets rid of the "only available" as well, which is wrong given that it's now on both FMP and Fold3. If you have the right subs.).
The idea that The National Archives is the custodian of the record and therefore TNA must be mentioned is rather neat but doesn't really add up as TNA is also the custodian of the censuses but isn't mentioned on the buttons for the censuses.
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I suspect the "This image is only available" blurb is part of the contract between TNA and FMP. If I recall correctly, a few months back that wording was changed FROM "available on FindMyPast" TO "available on TNA."
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Hmm - you could be right, I don't remember it being there in the past. Just a shame it's actually an untruth because the site that you go to isn't the TNA site!
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