I can not find a marriage between my grand parents who where married in London between 1880-1885. Any suggestions of help.
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Question: WHAT were their "Names"?
Knowing, there "Names" (ie. First and Last), may help us help you.
Albert Dyke and Sarah Emily Smith. He was 17 at the time.
Hm ... interesting ...
First 'look', NOTHING ...
[ Even with "Name" variants ... ]
And, to leave nothing to chance, tried all of,
▬ GRO (England & Wales);
▬ GRONI; &,
▬ Irish Genealogy
A few questions if I may:
Are you sure they were married rather than merely living together?
What information do you have - census records, births of children, etc.?
How do you know he was 17 when he married?
Where does the range 1880 to 1885 come from?
A few more questions. . .
Do you know Albert Dyke's parents' names? There's an Albert Dyke in the 1901 England census with parents, Joseph R. and Emily, at City of London, Middlesex. Albert is single, born about 1868 in Camberwell, London. His occupation is Life Insurance Clerk.
If Albert was 17 when he married, he would have had to have the consent of his parents. If his bride was also underage, there is the possibility that they used aliases when they married. My great-grandfather and his first wife married under assumed names in 1872 and then 2 years later married under their real names -- this was in the Surrey/London area.
Do you know the names of Sarah's parents?
We are hoping we can help you solve the mystery!
Alberts mother was Martha Dyke, she never married, no mention of father anywhere. Albert was born in Calne Wiltshire 1863. If he was seventeen when married he would have married 1880. Not sure about Sarahs parents name, father possibly James. She was born Windsor Berkshire 1858. All the records that I have show they married in London London between 1880-1885. Alberts occupation is listed as barman and then window cleaner. Sarah died 1899 in Surrey and Albert died 1939 also in Surrey. Their first 4 children were born in London and the 5th in Surrey. Albert remarried in Croydon Surrey in 1902 to Ellen Sullivan and they had 6 children.
Birth Certificates of children show father as Albert Dyke and mother Sarah Dyke so ASSUME they married for her to be Dyke. Her death certificate also states Sarah Dyke which I have a copy of. I also tried name variants and tried all different sites to no avail. Census also show her as Sarah Dyke. Records I have from Ancestry state that he married Sarah in London between 1880-1885 when he was 17.
You mention records from Ancestry. I assume that you are referring to the tree of Jane Dyke. The link to Albert Dyke is as follows
This has the marriage range you mention. Have you contacted Jane?
She has precise birth dates for 5 children although it is unclear whether these come from birth certificates. You mention birth certificates in your post above. Do you have all 5? Do they all say that Sarah's name was Dyke? The birth certificates should give the maiden name, not the married name of the mother. Where did the name Smith come from - a birth certificate?
I tried to find Albert in the 1881 census, as this seems to be one of the missing links -- but, no luck.
You might want to consider DNA testing?
Or, perhaps you would like a virtual genealogy consultation:
Good luck and best wishes in your pursuit of further information regarding your ancestors.
This is what I got from Ancestry, from Family Tree section it just says Albert Dyke Dyke family tree, is doesn't mention a Jane Dyke, I don't know who she is. "When Albert Dyke was born on 24 March 1863, his mother, Martha, was 19. He married Sarah Emily Smith and they had five children together." This is were I got the name Smith from. In the "Life Story" part of this tree it states:-
Albert Dyke married Sarah Emily Smith in London, London, in 1880 when he was 17 years old.
Sorry, didn't mean birth certificates for children, meant information of all five children. I have actual print outs from FindMyPast showing their names as Dyke and info of where born, year born and vol/folio numbers if I wanted to order birth certificates.
I also cannot find Albert Dyke, Sarah Smith, Sarah Dyke in the 1881 census.
Sorry to confuse everyone, but Albert was my great gran father not grand father as previously stated by me.
In reply to Graham re birth certificates stating mothers maiden name. One of Alberts daughters is my gran mother and I have a copy of her birth certificate and it states mother as Sarah Dyke formerly Smith.
The Ancestry tree I provided a link to above is named Dyke Family Tree - Wiltshire/London/Surrey. The submitter is janedyke_1. She has the same story attached to Albert Dyke as you quote above. I strongly recommend contacting her. She is currently active on Ancestry.
Thanks Graham. I copied and pasted the link you sent for Jane Dyke but it doesn't seem to work unless I am doing something wrong. How did you find out that she put that tree on and how do I contact her.
I have sent a private message to you by way of reply.