How do I find family in a time frame (Historical) that has NO records kept by church???
I have been searching for my famliy orig. I and 12 others have taken YDNA testing, 7 of us have taken Y-700 test. We have confirmed our Haplogroup Terminal SNP as (Brown, R-FT392290 and R-FT391456) . The FT391456 is the older of the two and FT392290 is a descendant. Both are subclade of R-DF83, R-M269, FT392290 is only found in England, Northumberland 110 AD , the FT391456 shows up in France about 2700 AD before moving to England. i presume from historical YDNA mapping the Romain invasion of England 43AD thought the southern English coast around what is now Kent. FT391456 may have followed or been apart of the invasion.
Archeological sites and testing for YDNA found FT392290 dating around 110 AD.
MY question was how and why did they move to Wiltshire co England?
There is the little ice age that occurred from 900 AD to 1300 AD, but did not affect Wiltshire co., could that be the answer????
During this period those in Agriculture would need to move to warmer climate as well as others types of work.
So some where between 1300 AD and mid 1500's the Brown family (FT392290 and FT391456) moved to Wiltshire co.
Why Wiltshire co. Eng. With help from the Wiltshire Family Historical Society three family names were found in parish registers. Durnford, Wiltshire co. Eng.
Parish registers showed:
Richard Browne b: 01/10/1607 Durnford, Wiltshire co. Eng. d: April, 1661 Newbury, Mass. father Anthony Browne estimated b: 1586 d: bef. 1612
Michael Browne b: 09/20/1612 Durnford, " " " d: 06/14/1655 Figheldean, Wiltshire. Eng. father Willm Browne estimated b: 1592 d: bef. 1613
George Browne b; 04/03/1614 Durnford, " " " d: 08/01/1642 Newbury, Mass. father George Browne estimated b: 1593 d: ??
Estimated birth of the father Mr. Browne b: 1566
Anthony, Willm, George ; three brothers, had three brothers. Anthony's wife became willm's, who then became George's wife.
Another event was the migration to Massachusetts by a group of persons from Wiltshire Co. lead by Rev. Parker, 1633 they were gathered together on the "Mary & John" in Southampton Harbor. Ships register shows Richard and George Browne. Arrived 1634 Ipswich, Mass.
From here I have documentation and YDNA of decendents.
Since there were no Records by church of Births, Marriages, Deaths prior to 1538 and then only listing child and father with Date and parish. AND the historical events with Romain occupation until 410 AD, then the Vikings arrived and the Little ice age..and move again not to mention Illness, Wars,.....
Just thought I would put it on paper and sound it out....
Any Ideas??
Doug Brown
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Doug,
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HI @DougBrown. You pose a very good question regarding how to verify family history information related to the new DNA technology that is linking specific individuals into groups. You have already received the information from the following knowledge article about FamilySearch and DNA testing.
While we appreciate suggested advantages for doing DNA testing, this article is a reminder that most results don't outweigh good research since there are many family relationships that are not biological which are just as important as finding biological ties.
Sadly, you are correct about not always finding valid genealogical sources once we travel a few hundred years back in time. You might find these comments interesting as they relate to questions about whether or not it is possible to trace lineage back to Adam and Eve:
Robert C. Gunderson, Senior Royalty Research Specialist of the Church Family History Department, stated:
“The simplest answer . . . is No. Let me explain. In thirty-five years of genealogical research, I have yet to see a pedigree back to Adam that can be documented. By assignment, I have reviewed hundreds of pedigrees over the years. I have not found one where each connection on the pedigree can be justified by evidence from contemporary documents. In my opinion it is not even possible to verify historically a connected European pedigree earlier than the time of the Merovingian Kings (c. a.d. 450–a.d. 752).
“Every pedigree I have seen which attempts to bridge the gap between that time and the biblical pedigree appears to be based on questionable tradition, or at worst, plain fabrication. Generally these pedigrees offer no evidence as to the origin of the information, or they cite a vague source” (“I Have a Question,” Ensign, Feb. 1984, 31).
François Weil, Chancellor of the Universities of Paris, stated:
"Genealogy was originally the prerogative of kings and princes. The oldest surviving royal genealogies in Europe go back to the sixth century A.D. for Gothic sovereigns, to the seventh century for their Irish, Lombardic, Visigothic, and Frankish counterparts, and to the eighth and ninth centuries for Anglo-Saxon and Carolingian kings" (Family Trees: A History of Genealogy in America [2013], 10–11).
Thus Weil and Gunderson agree—European royal pedigrees cannot be verified before the 500s A.D.
If a family history or pedigree implies otherwise, you are encouraged to ask contributors for their sources.
We don't have an answer for when or if accurate records for all cultures around the World will be available, but most of use can start with what we know and use outside help, such as DNA results, to expand upon what we already have. Since we all want our family history to be as accurate as possible, it is best not to speculate but to do whatever research is available to us and to work with others whom we discover are part of our larger, extended family. We wish you well in this continued efforts. Here is a list of places you might go to gather additional information related to your genealogy.
We hope some of these suggestions might be helpful.
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