Merge of living person
Several years ago I entered an unrelated friend (David Keller, L13G-8G8). His ancestors were already part of FamiliySearch.org (FSO) data base. Recently he opened his own FSO account and entered his profile and was assigned a new ID (David Keller, GZDD-G2C). He told me what his ID was and when I tried to merge I was told that GZDD-G2D was Unknown, person not found. Is there a way to merge these two ID for same person if they are still alive. Or asking it differently; Is there a way for two people to access the ID of a living person.
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It is because of privacy reasons, a living person in a private space cannot be searched for and will have a different PID in another private space.
here is an article to explain
hope this explains why.
Elder Lim
APAC FamilySearch Support Team
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Henry
Further to what 'Chai' has already proffered ...
Short Answer:
'No', such "Living" individuals/persons between Users/Patrons CANNOT be "Merged"/"Combined".
FIRSTLY ...
Just my take ...
When you are WITH another ("Living") User/Patron, be-it a Family member or not, looking at/in THEIR 'FamilySearch' Account, ...
Even though you can 'see' that they have a particular 'FamilySearch Person Identifier' (PID) in THEIR 'FamilySearch' Account ...
You, will NOT be able to 'see' that PID for the other User/Patrons in/through YOUR 'FamilySearch' Account ...
NOR, will you be able to USE that PID for the other User/Patrons in/through YOUR 'FamilySearch' Account ...
For ("Living") Users/Patrons of "Family Tree' of 'FamilySearch' (including yourself) their PID is, unique to them; and, can ONLY bee 'seen' by them, in THEIR 'FamilySearch' Account ...
"Living" Users/Patrons of "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' ARE just like, in fact, just the SAME as, "Living" individuals/persons, in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch', that are recorded in our "Private Spaces", of our individual/personal 'FamilySearch' Accounts - they can ONLY be 'seen' by the User/Patron who created them; or, in case of a "Living" User/Patron, by them.
As such ...
For "Living" Users/Patrons, just like "Living" individuals/persons, we HAVE to "Create" a ("Living") DUPLIACTE of them in OUR own respective 'FamilySearch' Accounts, in other words within our respective "Ancestral" Lines in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
And ...
That said ...
'Yes' ... they WILL be DUPLIACTES ... but, that is O.K.; and, a necessary feature for "Privacy".
Basically ...
For "Connected" Users/Patrons ...
You and your ("Living") Family members (and, extended Family) have to "Build" a "Bridge" of the "Living" individuals/persons (As "Living" DUPLICATES) that connect/link you together, in your respective 'FamilySearch' Accounts ...
Once, you and your ("Living") Family members (and, extended Family) have ALL "Built" that "Bridge" of the "Living" (individuals/persons) that connect/link you ALL together (As "Living" DUPLICATES); then, when you ALL come to your FIRST Common "Deceased" Ancestor, your "Ancestral" Lines will connect/link together into one ...
For "Unconnected" Users/Patrons ...
You will NOT (well, MOST likely NOT; but, you never know ... been there, done that ...), have; or, be able to, "Build" a "Bridge" of, either, the "Deceased"; and/or, the "Living", individuals/person between you.
IF, you want to 'see' another "Unconnected" User/Patron, in your "Picture" (ie. "View") of "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'; THEN, you will BOTH have to add a "Living" VERSION of yourselves in "Private Spaces" of your respective 'FamilySearch' Accounts. You would ALSO need to BOTH add ALL of the other "Living" individuals/persons in the "Private Spaces" of your respective 'FamilySearch' Accounts. Once, you BOTH come to the FIRST "Deceased" individual/person that you can BOTH 'see'; then, you will be able to follow your separate "Ancestral" Lines.
I hope this helps, somewhat.
Brett
ps: Next part to follow ...
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Henry
Again, even further to what 'Chai' has already proffered ...
SECONDLY ...
Here an old 'standby' of mine, that I have previously proffered on more than one occasion ...
Take it, for what it is worth ...
Most new (and, some old) Users/Patrons DO NOT understand the basic 'nature' and 'premise' of "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch', when they join in.
Please let me explain ...[ And, please bear with me; as, I am VERY 'Verbose' ... that is my 'style' ... ]
We do not have our OWN "Tree" in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
We ONLY have "Branches" (ie. Ancestral" lines), that are interconnected, in this SINGLE "One" World "Tree", for all of us, that is "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
"Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' is NOT like 'On-Line' "Websites" (eg. "Ancestry_com"; or "MyHeritage_com"; or, the like); and/or, 'standalone' personal (computer) programmes (eg, the OLD, now no longer supported, "PAF"; or, "Ancestral Quest"; or, the like).
We DO NOT have "Private"/"Personal" 'Trees' in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' like other 'On-Line' "Websites"; and/or, 'standalone' personal (computer) programmes.
We do not even, own; or, manage; and, are NOT even responsible for, the "Deceased" individuals/persons in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
"Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' is built on a "Open Edit" Platform - hence, why any registered User/Patron can "Edit" (ie. Add, Delete; and/or, Change) ANY "Deceased" individual/person in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
You can certainly "Merge"/"Combine" any "Deceased" individual/person in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' with another "Deceased" individual/person in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch', regardless of who the User/Patron was that initially created those "Deceased" individuals/persons; as, they DO NOT reside with the User/Patron who initially created them - they are "Public".
If fact, you can ONLY see "Deceased" individuals/persons in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'; except, with this 'rider', that you can ALSO only see "Living" individual/person in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' that YOU created; as, they reside in your "Private Spaces".
No other User/Patron can see ANY "Living" individuals/persons that were created by another User/Patron; as, they ONLY reside in the "Private Spaces" of the User/Patron who created them.
We CANNOT even see the ACTUAL Record in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' of our IMMEDIATE Family (eg. Spouse; Children; Parents; Siblings; ETC; Etc; etc) if they are "Living"; and, they have their own 'FamilySearch' Account.
Of course, you can create your "Living" Family members; and, record them in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'; but, they will ONLY be seen by you:
▬ You cannot "Share" them with any other User/Patron.
▬ You cannot "Merge"/'Combine" them with any other "Living" individual/person residing in the "Private Spaces" of another User//Patron.
There is CURRENTLY no mechanism in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' for Users/Patrons, to "Share"; or, "give permission" to "Share", the "Living" individuals/persons in their own "Private Spaces" with/between other/another User(s)/Patron(s).
There are a myriad of "Privacy" Laws within the many various Countries and Unions throughout the World - it is a nightmare to negotiate.
"Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' is used in many Countries and Unions throughout the World; and, as such, must adhere to the myriad of "Privacy" Laws throughout the World.
Hence, "Privacy" is one of the reasons that we cannot "Share" the "Living" individuals/persons in our own "Private Spaces" - it is NOT the ONLY reason; but, certainly has a bearing on the matter.
Another factor is that such would have to be 'Coded'/'Programmed' into the Programme that is "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
'Yes', these "Living" individuals/person in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' WILL, in fact, in many (most) cases will be "Duplicated" - unfortunately a necessary situation that currently cannot be avoided.
I know that there are "Duplicates" of the "Living" ME - at least, one for my Wife and each of our Children, not to mention my other ("Living") extended Family members.
Here are some "Knowledge Articles" in 'FamilySearch' in regard to "Private Spaces" and "Living" individuals/persons:
Who can see my living relatives in Family Tree?
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/who-can-see-my-living-relatives-in-family-tree
How does Family Tree protect the privacy of living people?
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/what-is-a-private-space-in-family-tree
What Family Tree features are available in my private space?
Can my living relatives share a Family Tree private space to work together?
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/share-a-family-tree-private-space-with-family
Can I transfer my Family Tree private space to another user?
Here is a good place to start, with how things work in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' (and, other programmes as well):
Overview
'FamilySearch'
"Family Tree"
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/overview
Getting Started with Family History
Here are the main things you need to know as you get started
https://www.familysearch.org/home/etb_gettingstarted
How to Use the Family Tree
https://www.familysearch.org/blog/en/how-to-use-family-tree/
What is The Family History Guide?
https://media.familysearch.org/what-is-the-family-history-guide/
The Family History Guide
Introduction
About The Family History Guide
https://www.thefhguide.com/introduction.html
The Family History Guide
Again, I hope this helps, somewhat.
Brett
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