Find by ID is not working for me.

mark_baird · March 8, 2021

I am working on my tree and I have found family members in another Genealogy tree. I have tried to connect the other tree to my own through the members I have listed. When I do a find by ID from the other tree it comes back as not existing. The relative is from Puerto Rico does that have a factor, they have all passed?

JeffWiseman · March 8, 2021

It sounds like you are trying to access the PID records for individuals that are both living, and the records exist in another persons "Private Space". If so, you will not be allowed to see those records. If you want to, you can create your own copy of those living persons in your own "private space" so that you can see your relationships to them.

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Dennis J Yancey · March 8, 2021

In short - You cannot search on LIVING persons in other peoples accounts.

is that your case? If they are marked as deceased - you should be able to find them.

Please give us some specific examples (specific ID's) if after this information you still feel the system is not working as it should.

another thing to point out - is you need to ensure there are no leading or trailing spaces if you are copying and pasting the ID. The existance of a leading space - will cause what you describe.

Brett . · March 9, 2021

@markbaird6 markbaird6

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Mark

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When you say ... "I have found family members in another Genealogy tree".

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Question: WHAT do you mean?

▬ You have 'seen' in another User's/Patron's 'FamilySearch' Account'; or,

▬ Or, some other 'on-line' website

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Please advise.

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As has already been proffered ...

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IF, you saw "Living" individuals/persons in/through another User's/Patron's 'FamilySearch' Account'; THEN, you will NOT be able to "Find" those "Living" individuals/persons in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'; even if, you took note of, their 'FamilySearch Person Identifiers' (PIDs).

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We CANNOT 'see' (or, access) the "Living" individuals/persons in another User's/Patron's 'FamilySearch' Account', in OUR 'FamilySearch' Account' - the reason for that is "Privacy"; as, they are "Living".

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You WILL have to "Added" SEPERATELY (and, 'Yes'; as, DUPLICATES) ALL the "Living" individuals/persons (ie. Father/Husband; Siblings; Grandparents; Aunts; Uncles; Cousins, etc) that connect/link you with another User/Patron in your 'FamilySearch' Account.

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Basically, you have to "Build" a "Bridge" of ALL the "Living" individuals/persons that connect/link you with another User/Patron in your 'FamilySearch' Account.

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Once, you have built that bridge of the "Living"; then, when you come to your Common "Deceased" Ancestors, your "Ancestral" lines will connect/link together into one.

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I hope this helps.

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Brett

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Brett . · March 9, 2021

@markbaird6 markbaird6

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Mark

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Furthermore ...

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Most new (and, some old) Users/Patrons DO NOT understand the basic nature and premise of "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch', when they join in.

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Please let me explain ...

[ And, please bear with me; as, I am VERY 'Verbose' ... ]

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We do not have our OWN "Tree" in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.

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We ONLY have "Branches" (ie. Ancestral" lines), that are interconnected, in this SINGLE "One" World "Tree", for all of us, that is "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.

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"Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' is NOT like 'On-Line' "Websites" (eg. "Ancestry_com"; or "MyHeritage_com"; or, the like); and/or, 'standalone' personal (computer) programmes (eg, the OLD, now no longer supported, "PAF"; or, "Ancestral Quest"; or, the like).

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We DO NOT have "Private"/"Personal" 'Trees' in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' like other 'On-Line' "Websites"; and/or, 'standalone' personal (computer) programmes.

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We do not even, own; or, manage; and, are NOT even responsible for, the "Deceased" individuals/persons in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.

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"Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' is built on a "Open Edit" Platform - hence, why any registered User/Patron can "Edit" (ie. Add, Delete; and/or, Change) ANY "Deceased" individual/person in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.

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You can certainly "Merge"/"Combine" any "Deceased" individual/person in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' with another "Deceased" individual/person in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch', regardless of who the User/Patron was that initially created those "Deceased" individuals/persons; as, they DO NOT reside with the User/Patron who initially created them - they are "Public".

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If fact, you can ONLY see "Deceased" individuals/persons in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'; except, with this 'rider', that you can ALSO only see "Living" individual/person in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' that YOU created; as, they reside in your "Private Spaces".

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No other User/Patron can see ANY "Living" individuals/persons that were created by another User/Patron; as, they ONLY reside in the "Private Spaces" of the User/Patron who created them.

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We CANNOT even see the ACTUAL Record in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' of our IMMEDIATE Family (eg. Spouse; Children; Parents; Siblings; ETC; Etc; etc) if they are "Living"; and, they have their own 'FamilySearch' Account.

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And, in fact, we do not even, own; or, manage; and, are NOT even responsible for, our OWN "Deceased" Ancestors in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.

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We can certainly "Watch"/"Follow" them in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'; and, address/fix any 'wayward' alterations; but, that is it.

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Of course, you can create your "Living" Family members; and, record them in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'; but, they will ONLY be seen by you:

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▬ You cannot "Share" them with any other User/Patron.

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▬ You cannot "Merge"/'Combine" them with any other "Living" individual/person residing in the "Private Spaces" of another User//Patron.

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There is CURRENTLY no mechanism in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' for Users/Patrons, to "Share"; or, "give permission" to "Share", the "Living" individuals/persons in their own "Private Spaces" with/between other/another User(s)/Patron(s).

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There are a myriad of "Privacy" Laws within the many various Countries and Unions throughout the World - it is a nightmare to negotiate.

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"Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' is used in many Countries and Unions throughout the World; and, as such, must adhere to the myriad of "Privacy" Laws throughout the World.

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Hence, "Privacy" is one of the reasons that we cannot "Share" the "Living" individuals/persons in our own "Private Spaces" - it is NOT the ONLY reason; but, certainly has a bearing on the matter.

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Another factor is that such would have to be 'Coded'/'Programmed' into the Programme that is "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.

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'Yes', these "Living" individuals/person in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' WILL, in fact, in many (most) cases will be "Duplicated" - unfortunately a necessary situation that currently cannot be avoided.

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I know that there are "Duplicates" of the "Living" ME - at least, one for my Wife and each of our Children, not to mention my other ("Living") extended Family members.

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Here are some "Knowledge Articles" in 'FamilySearch' in regard to "Private Spaces" and "Living" individuals/persons:

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Who can see my living relatives in Family Tree?

https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/who-can-see-my-living-relatives-in-family-tree

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How does Family Tree protect the privacy of living people?

https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/what-is-a-private-space-in-family-tree

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What Family Tree features are available in my private space?

https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/family-tree-features-available-in-my-private-space

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