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May 23, 2024 edited December 19, 2024 in Family Tree
This discussion was created from comments split from: Incorrect transcript of a English baptism.
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  • Fiona Gray
    Fiona Gray ✭
    May 23, 2024

    I have come across an incorrect transcription re the age of Elisabeth Gibbs, baptised on the 4th December, 1808, Bristol, to parents John and Hannah Gibbs, of Mead Street. The transcript has interpreted her age as 7 [years] when the film says 7 w, i.e. 7 weeks, and someone has automatically decided that she was born in 1801. Her monumental inscription has her birth date as 16th October 1808 which ties in with seven weeks prior to her Baptism.

    https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/170693815/edit

    https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?q.filmNumber=4008145

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  • davidleelambert
    davidleelambert ✭✭✭
    May 28, 2024 edited May 28, 2024

    It appears you're looking at source record

    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N14L-S5P

    Second item in search results

    https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&q.deathLikeDate.from=1808&q.deathLikeDate.to=1808&q.filmNumber=4008145&q.surname=gibbs

    FindAGrave link not in "Edit" mode

    https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/170693815/elizabeth-bolton

    I don't see where Elizabeth has been added to the tree. When you do so, you can override the dates suggested by the transcription of the source.

    For some sources, you can "Edit" the transcription, but that doesn't appear to be an option for this source.

    @Ashlee C. , is there a different way to report errors for sources where the "Edit" option is grayed out?

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  • Julia Szent-Györgyi
    Julia Szent-Györgyi ✭✭✭✭✭
    May 28, 2024

    @davidleelambert, when pasting a link here in Community, make sure to always wait out the mangler and then press the first button on the popup menu ("Display as Text"): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N14L-S5P. This will prevent the algorithm from turning the colons and some other characters into hex-code gibberish that neither human nor browser can use. (This doesn't apply to links to Community threads; those get made into embedded full quotes no matter what, unless you paste them in as obfuscated links, by selecting some non-link text and using the "Format as Link" button.)

    @Fiona Gray, as David mentioned, only some fields of some indexes on FamilySearch are editable. One necessary (but not sufficient) condition is the availability on FS of the image to go with the index, which is not the case here — since English parish registers are now largely paywalled on commercial sites, they are FSC-only on FamilySearch. Presumably, you could try to edit the entry if you were at an FSC, but there are no guarantees that it'd work: the tool and process are highly buggy and unpredictable, and in any case, the estimated birth year would be unchanged — it's a calculated field, not an indexed one, so it's never editable, and the calculation algorithm cannot be re-run based on the new input.

    I suggest a change in vocabulary to emphasize the intended purpose: it's an index, not a transcription. The one and only purpose of an index is (or should be) to help you find a document. It is not, and should ideally never be used as, a substitute for looking at the actual document (or an image thereof). Indexes are by their very nature always incomplete, and the vagaries of handwriting interpretation mean that they're also almost invariably error-ridden. (No matter the hand, handwriting is only readable if you know what it says. If you need proof of this fact, try reading even the neatest handwriting in a foreign language.)

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  • Áine Ní Donnghaile
    Áine Ní Donnghaile ✭✭✭✭✭
    May 28, 2024

    I suspect this index is another victim of the issue that recently has modified the age of infants under 1 year to age 0 days. Perhaps another algorithm needs retraining.

    Looking at the same record on FindMyPast, which cites Index © IRI. Used by permission of FamilySearch Intl, the age was indexed as 7w for 7 weeks.

    First name(s)

    Elisabeth

    Last name

    Gibbs

    Sex

    Female

    Baptism age

    7w

    Baptism year

    1808

    Baptism date

    04 Dec 1808

    Residence

    Bristol, Gloucester, England

    Place

    Bristol

    County

    Gloucestershire

    Country

    England

    Father's first name(s)

    John

    Father's last name

    Gibbs

    Mother's first name(s)

    Hannah

    Record set

    England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975

    Category

    Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

    Subcategory

    Parish Baptisms

    Collections from

    England, Great Britain

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