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US Michigan Nat Records. So on image 1, I combined the DEC and the PET for the

Lisa Kay Horlacher
Lisa Kay Horlacher ✭✭✭
January 29, 2024 edited September 30, 2024 in Get Involved/Indexing

principal. I used the PET Record Number and PET Record date. Image 2 is an OOA and a PET for a different individual. Did I do it correctly?

https://www.familysearch.org/indexing/batch/8da8bab4-2d76-4742-8d31-384ac92bce12

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  • erutherford
    erutherford ✭✭✭✭✭
    January 29, 2024

    On the first PET, his sex is male. On the OOA, the given name is Hairabet Or Harry. The second part of the order admitting the petitioner is where the petitioner can change their name, and he did. The second PET's birthplace is spelled Pittsburgh.

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  • Lisa Kay Horlacher
    Lisa Kay Horlacher ✭✭✭
    January 30, 2024

    Thank you for checking my work. The reason I marked <blank> on the sex field is because of the field help instructions: Pronouns are masculine by default. Do not assume the sex based on printed statements in the form. Is this direction applicable for this form?

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  • Julia Szent-Györgyi
    Julia Szent-Györgyi ✭✭✭✭✭
    January 30, 2024

    I'd mark the sex as blank: the only indication of gender is the pre-printed "wife", which the particular instructions tell us not to use -- and even without that, it doesn't actually apply to the applicant. Yes, in this time and place, we can guess that a person with a wife is male, but that's a cultural assumption, not a linguistic indication, as the general guidelines call for.

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  • erutherford
    erutherford ✭✭✭✭✭
    January 30, 2024 edited January 30, 2024

    They threw that in while I was gone. Your granddad dies one time...

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  • Lisa Kay Horlacher
    Lisa Kay Horlacher ✭✭✭
    January 30, 2024

    @erutherford I am sorry. I'm thankful for my savior and what that means for eternity with our loved ones.

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  • Melissa S Himes
    Melissa S Himes ✭✭✭✭✭
    January 30, 2024

    Interesting piece of trivia that really doesn't matter, but, from 1891 - 1911, Pittsburgh Pa was spelled Pittsburg. The federal government had a United States Board of Geographic Names and they deemed the city Pittsburg. The citizenry protested and in 1911, the name was changed back to Pittsburgh. So in this case, using Pittsburg would be appropriate!

    I believe that the gender should be recorded as male since the petition says the petitioner has a wife. In the other one, wife is crossed out and the petitioner has a husband. Thus, the gender would be female, based on the timing of the collection. We have been told that based on timing of records, we can infer gender from relationship terms. The instructions also lean to the acceptance of wife and housewife to determine gender.

    Wife is a relationship term and they also make the exception for the occupation of housewife in the examples. "Do not assume the sex from recorded occupations such as "policeman" or "fireman." An exception to this rule is if the occupation was recorded as "housewife.""

    The instructions on the field help and the examples are inconsistent.

    The field help gives alot more detailed instruction about how to handle the gender field:

    "Index the sex only if it was specifically recorded or you can tell what it was from relationship terms, such as "son" or "daughter," titles or terms, or other evidence in the language.

    Do not assume the sex of a person based on given names.

    Do not assume the sex from recorded occupations such as "policeman" or "fireman." An exception to this rule is if the occupation was recorded as "housewife."

    Pronouns are masculine by default. Do not assume the sex based on printed statements in the form."


    The example instruction on the declaration:

    Note: Do not assume the sex of a person based on given names. Do not assume the sex from recorded occupations such as "policeman."

    The example instruction on the petition where the do index the female:

    Note: Do not assume the sex of a person based on given names. Do not assume the sex from recorded occupations such as "policeman." An exception to this rule is if the occupation was recorded as "housewife."

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  • Lisa Kay Horlacher
    Lisa Kay Horlacher ✭✭✭
    January 30, 2024 edited January 30, 2024

    @Melissa S Himes very interesting about the name Pittsburg/Pittsburgh! Who knew?! (well, obviously you did!) 😀

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  • erutherford
    erutherford ✭✭✭✭✭
    January 30, 2024
    https://community.familysearch.org/en/discussion/comment/541776#Comment_541776

    He was five weeks shy of 100 and still sharp.

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