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October 24, 2023 edited September 30, 2024 in Search

This page https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SPN5-94M

indicates that Catharine Meagan, 65 is Mother in law for Clarence J Meade and thus her daughter Agnes J Meade

NO Image is immediately available, but a similar record may be found here

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/7499651%3A7364

Which lists the household members together

Household Members (Name)   Age   Relationship

Clarence J Meade   27   Head

Agnes J Meade   19   Wife

Catharine Meagan   65   Mother-in-law

Patrick J Meagher   42   Boarder

WHEN you look at the records at Ancestry, they are cards, with limited relatives shown, BUT the addresses DO NOT MATCH as one would expect for one household, or the other record information on the card, with small differences for sequence, as follows

Catharine Meagan Image 1441 of 2464, State Street, District 1, page 35, line 30;

Clarence J Meade AND Agnes J, Image 1440 of 2464, Alexandria Rd, District 1, page 45, line 44-45;

Patrick J Meagher Image 1442 of 2464, State Street, District 1, page 40, line 44;

THE ONLY THING IN COMMON for these records is the sequence, which appears to be alphabetical.

I know Family Search is not Ancestry, but you both seem to have used a corrupted database.

I Looked briefly for Catharine Meagan' daughter in the Branagan section, and did a wider search at Ancestry in their version of New York, U.S., State Census, 1905, without success.

Catherine Sullivan Megan is here https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/GVXC-XBG

Per the 1910 Census, she is the mother of one child, one living, already identified, so Agnes would not be her child!

Agnes Jane Downey Meade is here https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/9WJR-G56

This is not the only record with this problem, see

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/7414175%3A7364


Household Members (Name)   Age   Relationship

Thomas Meegan   67   Head Image 1443 No address, District 2, page 29 line49;

Mary M Meister   18   Servant Image 1444 School St. District 1, page 27, line 10

I do not know if this problem extends to the whole 1905 Census, or only the Jefferson / Wilna / Not Stated set (Ancestry Terminology); though cards such as

https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/7364/images/004518953_03795

Have Indexing that does NOT match the card (apparently out of sync by 1 image; again not your problem but possible.

Here is your record

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SPN5-4BZ

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  • - - -- - - - -- Another example Where FS would appear to be ok, but not Ancestry in a different place
  • https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SPNG-TZ4
  • https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/4972310:7364

  • - - -- - - - -- Another example less clearcut but two persons at different addresses

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SPNP-1Z1

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/2071714:7364

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Looking at a couple of towns, some have the whole household on one card so the problem may be limited, others in other counties seem to have books. Based on what is on the cards, they appear to reference books that no longer exist? A question I ask after looking at other counties and towns.

I tagged @Áine Ní Donnghaile since I saw that she had already made mention of problems she had see in the 1905 New York census.

I hope the detail helps isolate the problem. Thank you.

Tagged:
  • Correcting indexing errors
  • Data Error
  • record errors
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  • Maile L
    Maile L ✭✭✭✭✭
    October 31, 2023

    Thank you so much for reporting the relationship error. There is currently nothing that can be done to fix how there cards were grouped. The best option is to attach the record to each person listed and then make a note of the relationship error on the source list. You can see if Ancestry has the ability to make changes. I wish I had a better answer for you.

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