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Gordon Collett
Gordon Collett ✭✭✭✭✭
September 1, 2022 edited September 3, 2022 in Search

––– https://www.familysearch.org/search/all-collections/

Someone sent me a question about search results and the link he sent starts at the above link. I've never seen that page before and can't figure out how to get to it from any page.

What is this page? How do you get to it if you do not have the link? Is this a discontinued page that he might have a direct bookmark to?

(The question he sent was regarding exact searches. Poking around, it is clear that on this particular search system, if there are no exact results, the exact check boxes are just ignored in order to give the user some type of results.)

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  • Quint Hurst
    Quint Hurst ✭✭
    September 1, 2022

    @Gordon Collett

    I tried the url with all but the ( --- ) . It seemed to work.

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  • Gordon Collett
    Gordon Collett ✭✭✭✭✭
    September 1, 2022

    That link works fine. The question is how do you get to that page without the direct link? Or is this a discontinued, orphaned page no one should be able to get to?

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  • MaureenE123
    MaureenE123 ✭✭✭✭
    September 2, 2022

    @Gordon Collett

    For me, not LDS Church member, the link is from the Main Page when signed in, top right hand corner, "All Collections Search"

    The same wording, but different graphics, is on the Main Page, not signed in.

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  • Gordon Collett
    Gordon Collett ✭✭✭✭✭
    September 2, 2022

    When I am on the Main Page and not signed in, I can't see such a link. Interesting. I didn't know there were different versions of the main page when not signed in. Thanks for the information.

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  • Julia Szent-Györgyi
    Julia Szent-Györgyi ✭✭✭✭✭
    September 2, 2022 edited September 2, 2022

    @MaureenE123, I'm not LDS, either, but I don't see such a link regardless of signed-in status. Is it supposed to be where the mystery-meat icons (pin, globe, question mark) are?

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    Or do you mean some other page by "main page"?

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  • Gordon Collett
    Gordon Collett ✭✭✭✭✭
    September 2, 2022 edited September 7, 2022

    @Quint Hurst, It's a strange one that has not been updated anytime recently and searches historical records, Family Tree, Memories, and probably more areas all at the same time and does not function properly. I'm trying to figure out how some people still get into it.

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  • Paul W
    Paul W ✭✭✭✭✭
    September 2, 2022 edited September 2, 2022

    @Gordon Collett

    Got there eventually! You need to switch to "Try new homepage features", then under "All Collections Search", click on "Start New Search" (the link to https://www.familysearch.org/search/all-collections/)

    all collections.png


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  • Gordon Collett
    Gordon Collett ✭✭✭✭✭
    September 2, 2022

    Found it! Thanks!

    Now this raises a bunch of new questions, among them, is this where the current Search page is headed?

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  • MaureenE123
    MaureenE123 ✭✭✭✭
    September 3, 2022

    I must say I am getting very confused as every time I access FamilySearch I get a different page.

    @Julia Szent-Györgyi and @Gordon Collett when I previously mentioned the Main Page when not signed in, I was referring to the page in Julia's screen shot above . When I scrolled down this page I came across the same wording as per the link in the original post, but it was not a link, it was incorporated into the actual Main Page.

    Today however, when not signed in, I get a different Main Page, which when I look at the URL has defaulted to https://www.familysearch.org/australia/ and cannot see a way to access the previous one.

    The "signed in" Main Page I previously referred to is that shown in Paul W's screen shot. However, I didn't get there by switching to "Try new homepage features" as did Paul W, I was taken there without any options when I signed in. The URL is https://www.familysearch.org/eurona/feed/home

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  • Gordon Collett
    Gordon Collett ✭✭✭✭✭
    September 3, 2022

    I think pages are going to be pretty unstable for a while with all the work on updating to the new pages as features are added, found to have bugs, pulled back, fixed, then pushed out to production again, critiqued by users, then further improved.

    There is a price to pay for having such early access to these feature and being able offer comments and suggestions during this stage of development. Everyone will probably have their own opinion as to whether these day to day changes are better than just having the final version appear all at once one day as has been the case in the past

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  • Julia Szent-Györgyi
    Julia Szent-Györgyi ✭✭✭✭✭
    September 3, 2022 edited September 3, 2022

    Oy, I forgot all about the possibility of localization affecting things. I'm in the U.S., I believe both Paul and Gordon are in England, and Maureen is in Australia. Does that mean three different "home page experiences"? (I would think that familysearch.org/en would apply to all three equally....)

    Well, the combined search is at the top right of the new home page whether I set the language to English or Hungarian.

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    (The photo is my godmother's mother.) I noticed that the URL doesn't change by language on the new page, but the old one has the language at the end, i.e. it changes from ...org/en/ to ...org/hu/. (Which means that yes, I can "manually" change the language.)

    I haven't tested what happens when I'm not logged in, because I don't feel like logging out.

    The combined search has a full Hungarian translation, so it can't be very old.

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    (Hungarian was only added as an interface language at some point after 2018.)

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  • Gordon Collett
    Gordon Collett ✭✭✭✭✭
    September 3, 2022

    I'm in the US but my wife is Norwegian and when we visited my wife's family in Norway my mother-in-law, before she passed away, always insisted I acted much more English than American, meaning it as a compliment.

    That eurona subdirectory seems to be associated with many aspects of the new Person pages.

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  • dontiknowyou
    dontiknowyou ✭✭✭✭✭
    September 4, 2022 edited September 4, 2022

    So I followed the crumbs here to this new search tool and typed in a name and (birth) place. I typed England and FS went in behind me and changed it to England, United Kingdom. Then FS threw a flag on the date, with a telegraphic error message. Year must be between 1700 and 2022 because why exactly?

    1700? In the Places gazetteer, England, United Kingdom begins in 1801.


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  • Gordon Collett
    Gordon Collett ✭✭✭✭✭
    September 4, 2022

    I think the key here is "Start..." I wonder if this is meant to be a very basic page for newcomers to FamilySearch? The result page looks a lot like Ancestry and My Heritage, it gives every possible result no matter how unlikely and ignores exact matching, it enforces a standard place and keeps people out of the sometimes very controversial pre-1700 records.

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  • dontiknowyou
    dontiknowyou ✭✭✭✭✭
    September 4, 2022 edited September 4, 2022

    The flag on the play was not due to the robo-standard. Correcting the place to England had no effect.

    Removing the date removed the flag and allowed the search to run but this is the result.

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    I was able to replicate this non-result several times. Then I revised the search terms, capitalizing the person's name. Then results were returned. Cause and effect or mere coincidence? I don't know.

    PS: I don't see any link to this page. So I wasn't in the cohort selected as test subjects for this new experience.

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  • dontiknowyou
    dontiknowyou ✭✭✭✭✭
    September 4, 2022 edited September 4, 2022

    Here is the search result

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    Given the year restriction 1700 to 2022, are these counts limited to that range of years, or are these total counts? Trying the same search terms in Search, I get 7017 historical records not 633741 (which is a not credible number).

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