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Jamesgs
Jamesgs ✭
August 16, 2022 edited August 17, 2022 in Family Tree

I have been a long time user, but a few months ago I stopped entering information on your site because of one single person

I was informed by another user that family search had fixed this problem.

today I entered Bernard 'the Dane' de Harecourt G9W3-16P

he intern deleted all ten sources and offspring changed name to Monte Gommerii, removed birth & death date & deleted person entirely.

there are many other entries that have been changed the same way.

I reentered this information and he deleted all again.

the complaints I had made against this person are as follows; 

RE: Case 08184391 & Case 08193291

ref:_00D301b00H._5004V15llg8:ref

ref:_00D301b00H._5004V15m8Bh:ref

+ other Case number’s

#08184205-#08184223-#08184281-#08184314-#08184347

he is doing the identical destruction as before but with different names; ie; Carol3,568 &

Kate7,273 there may be more of his user names ?

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Answers

  • Sam Sulser
    Sam Sulser Community Manager
    August 17, 2022

    @Jamesgs Thanks for bringing this to our attention and submitting cases regarding this user. These types of abuses are not tolerated but they are also hard to stop completely. We have several automatic processes in place to help us find them but we also rely on our users telling us when they see something. Using the Report Abuse link that is found in the Tools menu on the Person page is a great option.

    I followed up with the team that handles these and they have corrected the things this user did the best that the system will let them and they have taken appropriate action with the user.

    So sorry this keeps happening. Please keep reporting.

    Sam 🤨

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  • Jamesgs
    Jamesgs ✭
    August 21, 2022

    here's two more to add to this list - Adam4,605 & Tera5582

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  • dontiknowyou
    dontiknowyou ✭✭✭✭✭
    August 29, 2022

    @Jamesgs (and any other readers who may have a similar issue):

    That you have case numbers means FT staff have sent you emails in response to your using the Report Abuse link on FT. Keep those emails. When (if) the same pattern of vandalism starts up again reply to one of those emails to report the PIDs where you discover vandalism and the display names of the contributor(s) doing the vandalism.

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  • Jamesgs
    Jamesgs ✭
    August 29, 2022 edited August 31, 2022

    a few days after i made comments about this problem, i re-entered the information.

    if you look deeper,

    Bernard 'the Dane' de Harecourt G9W3-16P

    When sources are checked on any of the April 23, 2022 & August 16, 2022 entries, then look in View Source and Latest Changes, under see all,

    Changes were made by @Kate7,273, @GelHp9eJho1pyO, @R8VTSeGDPcbvmwCkj.

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  • Jamesgs
    Jamesgs ✭
    September 14, 2022

    Since the last time I made this complaint , this same person has stepped up his assaults on any user that he can.

    John42,956

    TiMwIwtoypZliPF

    ?- Nuria47 - not sure

    ?- Kalyn59 - not sure

    UILkLXiYFC2j

    John63,703

    Joe9,953

    Carol7,594

    ZEGi48FZ2oYppNpF

    Carol7,544

    John97,983

    MAbVl4g3Tizlc

    QNcN7sNsHvvb

    charles7,466

    Ron802

    ? SamSeamons - not sure

    Karen7,395 deleted GZ8D-JRG Gommoric Ingvarsson + all info. And changed name to Monte Gummerii.

    MAbVl4g3Tizlc changed M8RK-75X Ingvar Ragnarsson King Denmark + all info. And changed name to Monte Gummerii.

    rudysoto1 changed M8RK-75X Ingvar Ragnarsson King Denmark + all info. And changed name to Monte Gummerii.

    Karen7,395 changed name to Monte Gummerii. + deleted all info

    Ug7CkEK1LDEHaAt added 269 children to GXRD-WLF unknown

    Ug7CkEK1LDEHaAt added 277 children to GXRD-VYK unknown

    Jeffrey Solomon added 278 children to GFR1-4HJ unknown

    Jeffrey Solomon added 272 children to GFR1-CLT unknown

    MAbVl4g3TIzlc changed G987-Z94 Ragnvald Ragnarsson to unknown + deleted all info. + deleted ID.

    QNcN7sNsHvvb deleted GWPP-N22 Ivar "the Boneless" Ragnarsson + deleted all info. + deleted ID.

    K6unICXHRdUM transferred all of marisahert1’s 345 entries to GFDP-CH6 unknown

    Joe9,953 & other user names, transferred all of marisahert1’s 196 entries to GFG6-G7X

    UlLkLXiYFC2i entered 345 entries into GFPX-V2M unknown

    UILkLXiYFC2j entered 346 entries into GFPS-YBW unknown

    UILkLXiYFC2j entered 346 entries into GFPZ-FCS unknown

    UILkLXiYFC2j entered 346 entries into GFPS-1G6 unknown

    MAbVl4g3Tizlc entered 174 entries into GFBX-NH5 unknown male married to

    M8RK-75X Monte Gummerii, should be M8RK-75X Ingvar Ragnarsson King Denmark

    MAbVl4g3Tizlc entered 315 entries into GFBX-NH5 unknown

    QNcN7sNsHvvb changed GZ8D-JRG to Monte Gummerii + deleted all info. + deleted ID. Should be Gommoric Ingvarsson

    MAbVl4g3Tizlc changed GFZV-7FM to unknown, should be Thyra Dannebod + changed sex & deleted all info.

    joe7,896 changed M8RK-75X to Monte Gummerii + deleted all info. + added second male, unknown + added 233 entries

    Sally333 added 200 entries to LHVG-MCS & GF13-LHY two unknown males

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  • Paul W
    Paul W ✭✭✭✭✭
    September 15, 2022 edited September 15, 2022

    @Jamesgs

    Specifically relating to Bernard the Dane, I have just read an article at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_the_Dane. The problem with many of this and many similar records is that they represent characters for which there is little historical evidence. I have not been ashamed to break up branches of mythical characters (usually Scandinavian "kings & queens") where their existence has no historical evidence.

    In respect of the examples such as you provide at https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GXRD-VYK, there appear to be users who add individuals to Family Tree in this way (as a "holding base") until they can establish lines to which they can be connected. I, and many others, would regard this as a misuse of the program, but yet others seem to find the practice as acceptable. (It was interesting to see "King Frosti" listed under this "unknown" (GXRD-VYK) , as he is a character I have encountered in other branches of the tree - at least once with a spouse of "Mrs Frosti"!)

    Personally, I believe it best to steer clear of these individuals / branches. Let FamilySearch take care of them, if they decide they can dedicate resources to such work, and concentrate on dealing with more recent figures, for which there is firm, historical evidence and worthwhile work to be completed.

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  • Jamesgs
    Jamesgs ✭
    September 15, 2022

    Paul W

    You seem to be giving me an answer to a complaint I made Aug. 29th  

    I believe you are missing the point.

    My most resent complaint was Sept. 13th, about one person that uses many different user names.

    Today I spent about two hours cleaning up the destruction that he has caused.

    Here are more of his destruction,

    UILkLXiYFC2j removed G9W3-16P from GZ8D-JRG + added GFPS-1G6 unknown + 342 entries

    David52,486 removed GFZV-7FM (spouse of GZ8D-JRG) + deleted all info. + replaced name with Gommoric Ingvarsson

    MAbVI4g3Tlzlc changed name of GSB1-F4Z to NN

    YbAyJc2te5ijgkwvOA replaced    with GXCW-KM4 + changed name to Monte Gumerii + deleted all info. + added a whodis? G6Z3-177

    UlLkLXiYFC2i added GFPX-V2M unknown + 349 entries - added GFPS-YBW unknown + 345 entries - added GFPZ-FCS unknown + 345 entries - added GFPS-1G6 unknown + 342 entries - added GFTT-KJ9 unknown + 172 entries

    MAbVl4g3TizIc added second male spouse L5YR-WVH to GX4Q-QG4

    @Sue Ellen Mischke

    @QNcN7sNsHvvb

    @MonikaKutschke

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  • dontiknowyou
    dontiknowyou ✭✭✭✭✭
    September 15, 2022

    @Jamesgs

    Respectfully, @Paul W is not missing your point. We are familiar with the problem and sympathize. Paul W is suggesting you stop following those profiles and ignore the problem. There is no urgency. There is an old internet phrase that is relevant here: Stop feeding the troll!

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  • Jamesgs
    Jamesgs ✭
    September 16, 2022

    Dontknowyou, Paul W.

    Respectfully, what you are suggesting is, that this one person should be allowed to destroy everyone’s work (not just mine) on Family Search, and no one should try to repair that damage.

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  • dontiknowyou
    dontiknowyou ✭✭✭✭✭
    September 16, 2022

    Jamesgs,

    I understand you have a case number. As I recommended previously, use it. Send an email reply with an update, retaining the case number in the Subject header. That is your direct line to Family Tree staff.

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  • Jamesgs
    Jamesgs ✭
    September 17, 2022

    Paul W. you have looked at Bernard "The Dane" de Harecourt G9W3-16P. and found nothing wrong, apparently not close enough. If you look in sources, view source, you see that thirteen of those source’s have been deleted by Karen7,395.

    Karen7,395 is one of the many names that this one person uses to change, delete ID’s, delete source’s, add hundreds of children’s names to an individual person’s ID.

    you told me to use case numbers in the subject header, should I use all case numbers in the header RE: case #08184391 #08193291-#08184205-#08184223-#08184281-#08184314-#08184347.

     

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  • Jamesgs
    Jamesgs ✭
    September 17, 2022

    Paul W.

    Just discovered another entry, Ingvar Ragnarsson King Denmark  M8RK-75X.

    Sarah9,215 is one of the many names that this one person uses to change, delete ID’s,

    delete source’s, add hundreds of children’s names to an individual person’s ID.

    Sarah9,215 added 346 children to this person’s ID.

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  • Paul W
    Paul W ✭✭✭✭✭
    September 17, 2022

    @Jamesgs

    Put bluntly, I don't think we should involve ourselves in dealing with records of individuals for whom there is little historical evidence. Maybe there was such a person, but there would have to be multiple, concurring records detailing his life for me to have trust in this as fact.

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