I want to see immigration records into NYC in 1890. How do I get to them?
I managed, mostly using Family Search, track my mother's ancestors in Norfolk back to early sixteenth century. A big thank you to FS for that! My father's side is totally stuck with a GG George Johns who has no past records found for before his marriage in 1896 when HE said he was 25. He appears to be born in Lancashire but the passenger list show him as from Ireland which is possible looking at my DNA matches. I have found a Geo Johns that was a parssenger on the Teutonic in October 1890 that appears to fit who appears to have returned to England in 1892. I want to know if these files contained more than just name and age which is all that is on the Passenger lists.
An indication of where from or a parent is what I am trying to find. That may discount him but that helps so I can look elsewhere.
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The registers on the NLI website are not searchable by name. There are issues with the available shared index on Ancestry and FindMyPast. One frequent error concerns an incorrect surname indexed for the father, apparently due to a misunderstanding of the format. Another round of indexing may be useful.
Some of the surviving Church of Ireland registers are being digitized and will be brought online on the Irish government website https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/.
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@ArthurJohns2 You could benifit from a research consultation with the experts at the Family History Library. They are free consultations that can be a huge help when research has stalled. Here is a link to sign up:
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Thank you that is a good idea.
Currently I have a problem with that as I am at present not static and the system seems to have problems. My Online searching is completed at irregular hours! I will look into it later but for now I want to find what detail is in any immigration records that exist in addition to passenger lists. Nobody seems to give an answer that is definite. Ancestry use the word 'may contain' whilst here it shows you Passenger lists not Immigration records. Can you see the particular file to tell me what information is in it?
I expect that there will not be sufficient to identify the passenger that I found but at least then I know I must look elsewhere? The search for my great grandfather stalled about 16 years ago when my brother started our family tree history. I did a DNA test to try to help but shared matches have not led to a way to see how my current family links with many of them. This GG George fell out with my grandfather and was intentionally left out of family matters from mid 1920s. I have a 95 year old uncle who can remember him visiting just pre WWII but he was not allowed to see my uncles, his grandchildren!
From DNA matches I have three who all lead to a house in Liverpool where the family were JOHN. They had a long term lodger also listed as surname JOHN. I wonder if they were distant relations as the first census of 1841 he was 12 and an Office Boy. He was born in Cornwall so I suspect he went to Liverpool for work. The family had Cornish roots too but I can only track the female side with certainty. Two of the DNA matches had the surname JOHN but one was related to the family and the other to the lodger. I have another match related to the lodger! However although this may show some sort of relationship I will need records to substantiate any relationship that it suggests. There just are not any. In UK registering births was not enforced until after George's birth so not unexpected if he is not especially as I anticipate he was a child out of wedlock but he appears in no Census either. The Geo Johns the passenger was listed as from Ireland and their censuses for 1871-1891 were all destroyed so I cannot find anything there either. GG George lists himself in Census and on his marriage certificate as three time born in Manchester and once in Liverpool. The head of the house in Liverpool was a master mariner whose trade was between Liverpool and ireland so..... but this is all suposition. I need records!
Sorry that is so long. JOHN and JOHNS changes frequently even in families as few of these people were literate so names were recorded mostly by others.
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There is a Community group for New York Research - https://community.familysearch.org/en/group/135-welcome-to-the-new-york-research-group
Early arrival manifests and naturalization records have little detail and may not even specify the country of birth/origin. Naturalizations may only list the ruling power to which the immigrant owed allegiance. In the case of Irish immigrants, they forswore allegiance to the British Crown.
Good luck!
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Thank you.
I found the site where there are the Ship Manefests linled to ant Immigration records and saw 73 George JOHNS listed of which 5 were potential matched allowing for come tolerance in matrching ages.
I will go to your recommended link this evening.
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Records of some parishes in Ireland are being indexed now by FamilySearch volunteers. If research now does not get results, try back in a few months or years.
You can also do indexing, if you like that. At the top of the FamilySearch main site pages, "Get Involved" will take you to the current indexing projects.
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"Records of some parishes in Ireland are being indexed now by FamilySearch volunteers"
These records are the Catholic parish records. The images and indexes have already been online for about 7 years. The images are free at the National Library of Ireland (https://registers.nli.ie/) and the indexes are at both Ancestry and FindMyPast. Family History Centers (FHCs) and many public libraries have free access to those sites.
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That look a good option if we can get no more on this passenger. Our search may be to disregard this person.
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I have good success working problems like this from both directions, meaning both sides of the Atlantic. I also explore the other passengers; people often migrated in groups of convenience.
Entertain multiple scenarios at the same time, and don't be afraid to work on a family that turns out to be not your own.
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Thank you.
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I have been working on who was also on the passenger lists. For the 1890 passenger there were a number of people possibly from Ireland so I will have another look for them.
Thank you for your thought and advice.
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@ArthurJohns2 you are very welcome. To thank others please feel free to use the Like button on their comments.
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I am not too good on these things but I thank everyone who is trying to help me. My great grandfather was a great mystery to us all and DNA matching has given us good clues to his past, and helped fill some gaps in the current descendants but we are, as you can imagine, frustrated that we did not start earlier to quiz those who would have known but are now dead.
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