I am trying to find my 4th great grandfather from Caltagirone Italy, In the Church of San Giuliano. My problem is looking for his marriage to Rosa Aquippina Zimone before 1762 but there is no film. Is there any other way of finding this date and record? He is in the record index of 1777-1789, he is in part 2 page 337 # 35, but there is no part 2 available. This may be his second marriage to Antonia Caruso. I found her name on a death record in 1803 of Antonio. Also I am having trouble locating his son Jacobi Vincenti's marriage to Agnesia Mantello because of the same problem. 1777-1789 has no part 2 he is in index page 223 #4. I am hoping you can help me find these records as I have been looking for a very long time to find these ancestors. Thank you so very much any help will be appreciated
Dear Ms. Kunzinger,
I've tried to look for the second part of the register "Matrimoni 1777-1789" here in Familysearch but as already told by you the register is not present.
Here in Familysearch Images there are many images to be searched also related to marriages in 1762 but not directly related to San Giuliano, but more in general to Caltagirone, so you have to spend time for reviewing them :)
Nevertheless due to the fact that you have the correct references for both marriages of Antonio and Jacobi, you can try to write directly to San Giuliano parish asking for a copy so below you can find its references:
Parrocchia Cattedrale S. Giuliano in Caltagirone
Address: via Duomo, 1 - 95041 Caltagirone (Catania - Italy)
E-mail: [email protected]
I hope this can help you in finding what you need and other people here can add other usefull information.
Thank you so much for answering my question. Also for the church information. I will be writing to them in hopes of an answer. Thanks again.
I've rebuild the tree for Carolus Franciscus Vincenti with her spouse Antonetta and their children and all documents I've found in FamilySearch, merging a lot of of different people and source documents.
You can find the tree here https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/9M1W-3RZ
Now I have a more clear overview but now it's necessary to have some confirmations about the fact that your Antonio is really the son of Carolus Franciscus Vincenti shown in the afore-mentioned tree.
If I well understood your initial comments, Antonio had a first marriage to Rosa Aquippina Zimone before 1762 and a second marriage to Antonia Caruso, than Antonio had a son Jacobi Vincenti's marriage to Agnesia Mantello. Is that correct?
Many thanks if you may give me any other information with related sources
It was a pleasure! I remain at your disposal in case you may need any other support 😊
Thank you Massimo,
I do have another brick wall that no one seems to be able to help me with. My maternal 5th great grandfather was Silvestro Sapienza , born, I believe in 1713. This is where it gets crazy. His daughter, Gregoria’s marriage in 1790, says her mother is Alphia Titime/Fitime. Then her death in 1842 says her mother is Maria Messina. Also I found Silvestro married to an Alfia Archiocono and having 5 children in the Stata Anime of ACI San Antonio which Also listed gregoria and Venerando as their children. I would love to know more information about these ancestors. They may have come from Bongiardo Italy but the book doesn’t go back to the 1700s. Hope you can help me. I would be so very grateful. Thank you. If you need any other information let me know
also the email address you gave me for Caltagirone was unable to be delivered0
Thank you for your message.
Do you have a copy or the links of the documents you mentioned in your last message?
Concerning instead the wrong email address, I'll let you know!
Can I send you a word document with all the links?0
Also where do I send it?0
@Rose Kunzinger - It might be best to send @Massimo C. the document via a private message here. You can either attach the word document to your message or copy and paste the contents into the message.1
Yes , I did that. I hope he received it. Thank you.1
wow, you did great. I also have Antonetta and Caroli’s death records
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJY-T9VM-N?cat=197418 5th down on left Caroli
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJY-T9J5-D?i=362&cat=197418 3rd down on left Antonetta
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSZL-K38Y-X?i=8&cat=183893 4th on right Antonetta birth
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-81N6-9GT?i=309&wc=M6WJ-M38%3A58113801%2C61578701%2C63740801&cc=1493344 my Antonio possibly death top right 1803
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-L1NN-664?i=8&wc=M6WF-H6X%3A58113801%2C59325301%2C60423701&cc=1493344 Rosa Zimone birth 3rd from top 1743
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-91N6-93Y?i=157&wc=M6WN-1NL%3A58113801%2C61578701%2C63715801&cc=1493344 Rosa Zimone death 1st on top 1787
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-816B-PPV?i=113&wc=M6WX-PNL%3A58113801%2C58113802%2C59056301&cc=1493344 possibly Antonia Caruso death 4th from top 1796
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-L1N8-9C32?i=277&wc=M6WN-7TG%3A58113801%2C61578701%2C62786001&cc=1493344 Jacobi Vincenti birth 1st on top second child born 1765
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-91NF-H8G?i=450&wc=M6WN-129%3A58113801%2C61578701%2C63780801&cc=1493344 Jacobi Vincenti Death 4th from top 1817
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-81N8-9ZHR?i=579&wc=M6WN-7TL%3A58113801%2C61578701%2C62768401&cc=1493344 Francesco Vincenti birth 1st on top 1st child born 1762
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-81N8-9DKS?i=434&wc=M6WN-WM9%3A58113801%2C61578701%2C62827101&cc=1493344 Paulo Vincenti birth 2nd from top last child born 1776
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-81N8-9XCS?i=427&wc=M6WN-Z29%3A58113801%2C61578701%2C62882101&cc=1493344 first child of Jacobi and Agnesia 3rd from top 1789
Here is what I have so far. Hope it can help
Thanks so much