I want to add my living Brothers, Sisters, Cousins Family Group Sheets to my FS quickly HOW?
I Want to add my living Brothers, Sisters, Cousins Family Group sheets to my Family Search. Is there a way to do this that is easier than calling them and getting all their info. Is there a way I can transfer their living people to my Family Search quickly and easier than what I think I have to do? Thanks anyone for help... Karen in Pa.
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Karen
Welcome to the "Community.FamilySearch" Forum.
I am just another 'lowly' User/Patron ...
Just in passing ...
Short Answer: 'No', there is no, quick; or, easy way.
You have to enter/input your version of your "Living" Family/Relatives individual, manually; as, they are recorded in YOUR "Private Spaces", in your 'FamilySearch' Account, each gets is own unique 'FamilySearch Person Identifier" (PID) - they are ONLY, 'seen'; and, accessible, to you.
Just my take ...
When you are WITH another ("Living") User/Patron, be-it a Family member or not, looking at/in THEIR 'FamilySearch' Account, ...
Even though you can 'see' that they have a particular 'FamilySearch Person Identifier' (PID) in THEIR 'FamilySearch' Account ...
You, will NOT be able to 'see' that PID for the other User/Patrons in/through YOUR 'FamilySearch' Account ...
NOR, will you be able to USE that PID for the other User/Patrons in/through YOUR 'FamilySearch' Account ...
For ("Living") Users/Patrons of "Family Tree' of 'FamilySearch' (including yourself) their PID is, unique to them; and, can ONLY bee 'seen' by them, in THEIR 'FamilySearch' Account ...
"Living" Users/Patrons of "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' ARE just like, in fact, just the SAME as, "Living" individuals/persons, in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch', that are recorded in our "Private Spaces", of our individual/personal 'FamilySearch' Accounts - they can ONLY be 'seen' by the User/Patron who created them; or, in case of a "Living" User/Patron, by them.
As such ...
For "Living" Users/Patrons, just like "Living" individuals/persons, we HAVE to "Create" a ("Living") DUPLIACTE of them in OUR own respective 'FamilySearch' Accounts, in other words within our respective "Ancestral" Lines in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
And ...
That said ...
'Yes' ... they WILL be DUPLIACTES ... but, that is O.K.; and, a necessary feature for "Privacy".
Basically ...
You and your ("Living") Family members (and, extended Family) have to "Build" a "Bridge" of the "Living" individuals/persons (As "Living" DUPLICATES) that connect/link you together, in your respective 'FamilySearch' Accounts ...
Once, you and your ("Living") Family members (and, extended Family) have ALL "Built" that "Bridge" of the "Living" (individuals/persons) that connect/link you ALL together (As "Living" DUPLICATES); then, when you ALL come to your FIRST Common "Deceased" Ancestor, your "Ancestral" Lines will connect/link together into one.
Furthermore ...
You can ONLY 'see' "Deceased" individuals/persons, in the "Family Tree" Part, of 'FamilySearch'; except, with this 'rider', that you can ALSO only see "Living" individual/person, in the "Family Tree" Part, of 'FamilySearch', that YOU created; as, they reside in your "Private Spaces".
No other User/Patron, can 'see' ANY "Living" individuals/persons, that were created by another User/Patron; as, they ONLY reside in the "Private Spaces", of the User/Patron who created them.
We CANNOT even 'see', the ACTUAL Record, in the "Family Tree" Part, of 'FamilySearch', of our IMMEDIATE Family (eg. Spouse; Children; Parents; Siblings; ETC; Etc; etc), if they are "Living"; and, they have their own 'FamilySearch' Account.
Of course, you can create your "Living" Family members; and, record them in the "Family Tree" Part, of 'FamilySearch'; but, they will ONLY be seen by you:
▬ You cannot "Share" them with any other User/Patron.
▬ You cannot "Merge"/'Combine" them, with any other "Living" individual/person, residing in the "Private Spaces", of another User//Patron.
There is CURRENTLY, no mechanism, in the "Family Tree" Part, of 'FamilySearch', for Users/Patrons, to "Share"; or, "give permission" to "Share", the "Living" individuals/persons, in their own "Private Spaces", with/between other/another User(s)/Patron(s).
There are a myriad of "Privacy" Laws, within the many various, Countries; and, Unions, throughout the World - it is a nightmare to negotiate.
The "Family Tree" Part, of 'FamilySearch', is used in many, Countries; and, Unions, throughout the World; and, as such, must adhere to the myriad of "Privacy" Laws, throughout the World.
Hence, "Privacy" is one of the reasons that we cannot "Share" the "Living" individuals/persons in our own "Private Spaces" - it is NOT the ONLY reason; but, certainly has a bearing on the matter.
Another factor, is that such would have to be 'Coded'/'Programmed', into the Programme, that is the "Family Tree" Part, of 'FamilySearch'.
'Yes', these "Living" individuals/persons, in the "Family Tree" Part, of 'FamilySearch', WILL, in fact, in many (most) cases will be "Duplicated" - unfortunately a necessary situation that currently cannot be avoided.
I know, that there are "Duplicates", of the "Living" ME - at least, one for my Wife and each of our Children, not to mention my other ("Living") extended Family members.
Here are some "Knowledge Articles", in 'FamilySearch', in regard to "Private Spaces"; and, "Living" individuals/persons:
Who can see my living relatives in Family Tree?
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/who-can-see-my-living-relatives-in-family-tree
How does Family Tree protect the privacy of living people?
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/what-is-a-private-space-in-family-tree
What Family Tree features are available in my private space?
Can my living relatives share a Family Tree private space to work together?
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/share-a-family-tree-private-space-with-family
Can I transfer my Family Tree private space to another user?
I know, that this certainly may not help/assist; but, I hope, that this may provide you with, some additional, insight; and, perspective.
Brett
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Why do you want to enter profiles for living people? FamilySearch's Family Tree is for tracking deceased people. That's what it's designed for and what it does best.
The best way to protect the privacy of your relatives is to not put any personally identifying information about them anywhere online, not even in a protected space, lest that protection be (accidentally or maliciously) broached. Use an offline family tree program to track your living family. There are many good ones, including some that are free, and several that can interface with FamilySearch so that you don't need to re-enter data.
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I second what Julia says. Because I am older and it is unlikely that many of my relatives will pass before I do, it does not make any sense for me to add a large group of living people into the system. Particularly when the current procedures will never allow anyone to view these living records. I understand that in the future, changes may occur that allow sharing of living records only when that is implemented would I even consider adding a large number of living relatives.
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The only "Living" persons I have entered to Family Tree are well over 100 years old and very probably are deceased by now - I just don't have the evidence. I agree with the other participants in feeling Family Tree is not a suitable place to enter the details of your living relatives. As a collaborative project, it is just not designed to meet the inclusion of anyone that is not deceased. If you accept the general ethos of Family Tree, why enter information that only you can see? (Even discounting any security fears that Julia mentions.)
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Julie
It's 'Brett'.
Just in passing ...
As, has been proffered previously, in MANY posts, in this Forum; and, the various 'iterations', of the 'FamilySearch' "Feedback" Forums, over the Years.
FYI
Answer:
BEACUSE, for those of us, Users/Patrons, who are Members of the Church, OUR 'FamilySearch' Accounts were/are AUTOMATICALLY propagated with, our IMMEDIATE "Living" Family members; thus, creating ("Living") "Duplicates" of such; and, ESPECAILLY, for MANY of us, such was quite extensive, with the introduction of "Private Spaces", in 2014.
Plus ...
ALSO, for Users/Patrons, who are Members of the Church ...
When, it comes to the Tenets of the Church (ie. "Temple" Work) ...
We like to have ALL our, Family; and, EXTENDED Family, CONNECTIONS is place ...
So ...
That Said ...
We NEED, to "Build" a "Bridge", of ALL the "Living" individuals/persons, that connect/link us together, in the "Private Spaces", of our respective 'FamilySearch' Accounts.
I hope, that this may help/assist, with greater understanding, for those Users/Patrons, who are not members of the Church.
Just my thoughts.
Brett
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@Brett ., all of us need to put in the "framework" profiles to connect to our deceased relatives. None of us need to add all of the nieces and nephews and cousins, as they don't link to anyone that their parents don't already cover, and none of us need to enter birthdates and such for said parents, because online is not the place to track that kind of data for the living. So there really is no point to entering entire family group sheets for living people on FamilySearch, no matter what your religion.
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Julie
Sorry ...
I beg to differ ...
And, the circumstance/situation, is DEFINTELY "Different", depending upon, if, one is; or, is not, a Member of the Church.
Each to their own ...
On this point ...
Lets just, agree, to disagree ...
And, leave it at that ...
Enough said ...
Brett
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Naturally I don't want to argue any point that involves what you feel is right in line with your being a Church member. However, in my early days of using GetSat, I remember Ron Tanner stating quite clearly that the primary purpose of Family Tree was for recording the records of the deceased. Even within this thread, "gasmodels" appears to be taking a different view to yourself, as have (to my memory) other "LDS" over the years.
Whatever suits your needs (in relation to ordinances - well, future, of course in the case of the living) is your personal choice. However, as you know, having multiple IDs for the same individual really does cause headaches for many users (especially LDS) once their relative has passed, so I'm sure there are many Church members who disagree with you on this issue and (without ordinances being directly affected by the issue) prefer to keep their records of living relatives in their own, private databases.
But, I would clarify, it is none of my business what you do personally and I am only basing my comments on my personal feelings, as well as those expressed by certain LDS Church members on this forum and the GetSatisfaction one.
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have you considered the difficulty of what people had to do
BEFORE we had the miracles of CELL PHONES, EMAIL, SCANNERS, COPY MACHINES, COMPUTERS, INTERNET
Oh my gosh . . . .
WE have it SO easy . . .
Its all a matter of perspective . . .
what you can do in an afternoon on the cell phone
probably took MONTHS to accomplish in decades past.
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Hey, 'Paul'.
It's 'Brett'.
I understand, 'Julie's', &, your, perspective; especially, as, Users/Patrons, who are not member of the Church.
And, certainly, not even ALL Users/Patrons, who are Members of the Church ... agree ...
[ Well, I would not say, 'Agree' ... in many cases, they are responding to different, questions &, perceptions ... ]
[ Note: By the way ... NO disrespect intended ... ]
And ...
That Said ...
'No', having MULTIPLE, "Duplicate" PIDs, for "Living" individuals/persons, DOES NOT, cause ... "Headaches" ...
It is really just makes things ... more ... interesting ...
The 'Frustration' occurs; BECAUSE, most 'People', just DO NOT like, the EXTRA work involved ...
[ Whereas, I love it ... ]
As, I like to say ...
Genealogy / Family History ... is a "Marathon" ...
Genealogy / Family History ... is NOT a "Sprint" ...
Hey ...
Pre. 2014; and, the introduction of "Privates Spaces" ... things were just fine ...
After that ...
Well ...
That is another matter ...
[ As, I have responded, in numerous 'Comments', in posts ... ]
I know, that there are "Duplicates", of the "Living" ME - at least, one for my Wife and each of our Children, not to mention my other ("Living") extended Family members.
Current, definitely, Six (x6) "Duplicates", of ME, that I am directly aware of; but, I know, that there are MANY more; especially, with my Wife's Extended Family, in the Church, for x2 Generations ...
And ...
By "Adding", MANY "Living" individuals/persons, we have been able to "Connected"/"Link", DIRECTLY, with MANY People, from ALL around the World.
And, in fact, we visited MANY of them, 'In Person', when we travelled the World, a couple of years back.
[ And, we are STILL, in contact with them; even, today ... ]
Of course, MANY were Members of the Church; whereas, there were many others, that were NOT, members of the Church; but, such mattered not; as, we had a ... common interest ... our Ancestors ... and, our Ancestry.
And, 'No', I DO NOT include copious amounts of "Details", in ALL cases (as, there is NOT always, a need); but, certainly, sufficient, for enabling GOOD (and, reasonably 'Stable') connections/linkages.
Whereas, for "Closer", Family; Extended Family; and, Relations ... that is another matter ...
It certainly has been a 'boon' ...
Especially, with regards to "Temple" Work ... and, the "Sharing" of such ...
As, we ARE "Related"; and, CAN actually SHOW (ie. Prove), that DIRECT "Relationship" (ie."Connection"/Link") ...
I LOVE, the ABILITY, for being able, to considerably EXTEND, one's "Ancestral" Lines, to INCLUDE the "Living" ...
Hey; but, such is not necessary for all ...
Just my thoughts.
Each to their own ...
Brett
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