Can I infer the father and mother from a batch of related people?

Ken_Cluff

I'm doing Malta passport applications. There are four records in the set to be indexed. It's obvious from the four sets that the set consists of a mother and three daughters. Since the father isn't listed in the applications, I haven't listed the father or mother in the indexed data of the daughters. Can I enter the father and the mother in the daughters' applications?

Evidence:

1. Applications are all on the same day.
2. Applicants have the same last name.
3. They have the same home address.
4. There's a filial resemblance in the photo's.
5. Reason for application is the same: they are all going to join (husband/father) in Australia.

Can I therefore conclude and record in the indexing that the husband of the wife, which is the first record in the batch, is the father of the other three records in the batch? And that the mother of the daughters is the first applicant who is going to be with her husband?

Mirevo

@ Ken_Cluff

Thank you for sharing the link to the batch. and yes, I was able to see that there are four records in the batch and consists of a mother and three daughters going to join their father. You ask: Can I enter the father and the mother in the daughters' applications? I looked closely to the information written by the applicant:

Image 1- Carmela Camenzuli would be indexed with her husband names: Michel' Angelo Carmenzuli because he is listed in her application.

Image 2: Maria Camenzuli--- would index her with the father names Michel' Angelo-no surname-----

Image 3: Angela Camenzuli----would index her with the father names Michel' Angelo-no surname-----

Image 4: Guiseppa Camenzuli--would index her with the father names Michel' Angelo-no surname----

The mother is not mentioned on the daughter's applications and should not be indexed with the daughters.

We index what we see, and follow what the project instructions instruction as well as the field helps. I Hope this answer your question.

Melissa S Himes

You can index the given name of the father on Images 2,3,4 since it says Daughter of Michael Angelo on each one. His surname is never entered on the forms.

Field help: Do not assume a surname from the surnames of others mentioned in the document.

You cannot index the mother's name since she is never mentioned on any of the passports for the children.

You can index both the given name and surname of the husband on Image 1 for the wife's passport.

I noticed that the surname for all of them is Camenzuli, not Carmenzuli. The 4th woman is Giuseppa not Guiseppa.

Melissa S Himes

It is hard to give an accurate answer without seeing the batch. You should always share the batch code when asking a question. Click on the third icon from the right for instructions on sharing the link and batch code. (The series of letters/numbers following the title or the URL).

In indexing we are taught not to make assumptions or conclusions. If there are four records, you only index the information that is on each of the records. You don't transfer information from one image to the next, unless it is a record that spans two images. There is no way of knowing that the gentleman is the father of the children unless their passport application says Father.

Colin Yamamoto_1

I agree with the comment above me

Seeing the batch would be a big help. Shes right that we shouldnt assume, even if it seems highly likely. And that we record what is on each individual image as its shown. We are here turning paper information into digital information that can be searched, so that people can look through and connect and broaden their family trees.

Ken_Cluff

Here is the batch: https://www.familysearch.org/indexing/batch/671368ca-9f76-4ce6-9633-0fbfa1c54f1f

Normally, I agree to not make inferences, but this seems extraordinary.