Not allowing Legacy users to submit Vital and Source Records.
Recently checking my relative David Stanley, 1807-1853, L4L5-T2Y, Vials and Sources, I saw submissions from Legacy users. In the Vital section they would give a date and when you click to see the source you either get a ( access denied ) or ( taken from private notes ) message. Also some of the information submitted in my tree were totally wrong and we still see the ABT added. This contravenes the true spirit of the World Family Tree concept. One has to provide the source so others have access for their records. Is there a way to correct this situation?
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What exactly do you mean by "Legacy users"?
I searched David Stanley's change log and sources for the word "legacy" and came up empty.
He has a half-dozen IGI records attached by "FamilySearch" in 2014, but I don't think you're talking about that.
The trouble is that Legacy is the name of a popular genealogy program, as well as a word meaning roughly "inherited", and I cannot tell which sense you're using it in. The adjective sense doesn't quite fit your question, because the whole point of describing something as "legacy" is that it has been handed down from somewhere, and cannot be changed. Is there another meaning or use that I'm not aware of?
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I believe the original poster is referring to information that was entered in old legacy systems and then having that information transferred into Family Tree with no sources associated that information. It appears the original poster is suggesting that this not be allowed. However, this information is in the system and is not currently being submitted. All users can modify any vital information they believe to be incorrect. Many users seem reluctant to make corrections to information. I frequently see for my English ancestors situations where the birth date is after the christening date. Clearly that cannot be correct so I will remove the birth date. Usually there are no sources for the information it came from a legacy submission. I do not see any reason for FamilySearch to make changes to the present system.
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The functionality of FamilySearch is to provide information under Sources which can be accessed by any researcher for their use to authenticate an individual. The Legacy Records in most part do not.
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Rick
I am just another 'lowly' User/Patron ...
Perhaps you do not fully understand 'FamilySearch'; or, its history.
'FamilySearch' is an 'Umbrella' Programme; and, in fact, has MANY Parts (ie. Subprogrammes); and, functions.
Some of the more public "Parts" are:
▬ 'Family Tree'
▬ 'Records' Search
▬ 'Indexing' (of 'Records')
▬ And, for Members of the Church, to follow the tenets of the Church
Of course ...
▬ Gathering 'Records', from ALL around the World
... [ and, where possible, making those 'Records' accessible, to ALL, for FREE ]
Oh ...
▬ And, providing Help/Assistance and Training
Now ...
That Said ...
FIRSTLY ...
We ALL make MISTAKES ...
NONE of us are PERFECT ...
And, making a "Mistake', DOES NOT contravene, the true spirit of a ONE "Single" WORLD 'Tree' concept.
SECONDLY ...
You are INCORRECT ...
Users/Patrons DO NOT have to provide "Sources".
In MANY cases (ie. 'Official' Documented) "Sources" may NOT even be available.
Even TODAY, there are People all around the World, who are, Born; Married; and, Died; and, their, Birth; Marriage; and, Death, is NOT "Officially" recorded.
Many 'Official' Records may NOT be available 'On-Line'; and, certainly, NOT for FREE.
Many Users/Patrons, CANNOT afford, the "Fees", required to obtain "Copies", of 'Official' Records.
THIRDLY ...
You certainly DO NOT 'seem' to understand, where the LARGER Part, of the individuals/persons, ORIGINALLY came from, in "Family Tree", of 'FamilySearch'.
'FamilySearch'; basically, originally the "Genealogical Society of Utah", has been operating for over 125 Years.
"Family Tree" [and, its predecessors, "New.FamilySearch"; and, the original Manual ("Hard-Copy" Paper) Methods - (eg. Family Group Records; Pedigree Charts; etc); plus, the "International Genealogical Index" (IGI); and, the like), of 'FamilySearch', is a culmination, of Years of work, of Members of the Church (ie. their Genealogy/Family History); and, of late (these latter Years), includes the work, of MANY User/Patrons who are not member of the Church (ie. their Genealogy/Family History).
FINALLY
Many of those, what you refer to as, "Legacy" individuals/persons, have been in 'FamilySearch' for, MANY; Many; many, YEARS.
Even, predating, "New.FamilySearch", the forerunner, to "Family Tree".
Certainly, even well BEFORE, many of the "Sources", even became available in "FamilySearch'.
So ...
That Said ...
You are correct, in that the MAJORITY of the, 'So-Called', "Legacy" individuals/persons DO NOT have "Sources" attached.
But ...
That Said ...
SLOWLY many of the, 'So-Called', "Legacy" individuals/persons ARE having "Sources" attached.
[ And, "Merged"/"Combined" with "Duplicates" ... ]
MANY of us, have been involved in; and, contributed to, the, 'So-Called', "Legacy" individuals/persons, over the many YEARS.
WHAT we are DOING; as, Users/Patrons, is TRYING to, consolidate the "Duplicates"; and, where POSSIBLE ADD "Sources"; or, if "Sources" are NOT available, "Details" of 'Official' Records in the likes of, "Reason Statements" (ie. 'Reason This Information Is Correct'); Other Information; Notes; Discussions; Memories; and, Life Sketch, to the 'So-Called', "Legacy" individuals/persons.
Just because, an individual/person DOES NOT have a "Source" attached (or, even, the details of 'Official' Records), DOES NOT (always) mean that an individual/person is NOT "Correct" (or, DID NOT, "Exist").
Basically ...
"Family Tree", of 'FamilySearch', is a collaborative effort by ALL of us.
MISTAKES, there are MANY ...
DUPLICATES of individuals/persons (and, Families), there are MANY ...
As I said:
▬ We ALL make MISTAKES ...
▬ NONE of us are PERFECT ...
That is what WE are ALL trying to address/fix ...
"Sources", are NOT; and, CANNOT, be mandatory.
"Sources" are certainly PREFERRED; but, certainly NOT mandatory.
Just my thoughts.
Just another perspective, from one who has been involved in "Family Tree" (and, its forerunners), of 'FamilySearch', for YEARS.
Brett
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Hi Brett,
Thank you for the in-depth explanation of the workings of World Family Tree, much information to absorb. I have been doing Genealogy since 1995, where you sent off $4.00 for a film for 3 weeks loaner, so I have been through many of the changes that have evolved to today’s research. The concept from 1995 was to provide at least 2 or 3 sources to carry on to the next generation, as it should be. That was how I was taught to do genealogy. Your explanation about some folks not being able to afford to put a source down makes sense, but that does not lead to the next generation search. I guess I will have to be more tolerant when I see the Legacy Records. Thank you for taking the time to provide your prospective, much appreciated.
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I have tried to send the below message in other places on your site but cannot not work out how to send it - no post button on the other sites. I am hoping my email will be noted and my dadas death date be corrected. I would appreciate a reply please. I am keen to contact the submitter. Leonie
Dear administrators
I want to correct information for Robert Richard Tyrrell family tree I have seen on your site. I am his granddaughter.
My father is listed - Archibald Graham Tyrrell as 1920- 2006. This should read 1920-2021. He died on the 2-10-2021.
My mother Norah Selina Tyrrell nee Lester died 4-12-2006.
I do not who gave this data but I would like it corrected please.
How do I find the origin of this tree - person submitted?
I would like to contact them.
What is the number contact email for a help / support team?
Thanks Leonie Auld
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G'Day, Leonie
Welcome to the "Community.FamlySearch" Forum.
I am just another 'lowly' User/Patron ...
Do not panic ...
As, a "Registered" User/Patron, you yourself, can make the necessary corrections.
You DO NOT need the "Administration" of 'FamilySearch' to do that.
Now ...
That Said ...
For starters ...
There are TWO (x2) Archibald Graham TYREELL's, both Born, in 1920, in Hurstville, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia, in "Family Tree", of 'FamilySearch':
[ 1 ]
Archibald Graham TYREELL ... [ GSV6-CX5 ]
Born, 5 July 1920Hurstville, New South Wales, Australia - Died, 2006 [ 'Place' = "Blank" ( ie. "Not Recorded" ) ]
And ...
[ 2 ]
Archibald Graham TYREELL ... [ LRXX-C71 ]
Born, 1920, Hurstville, New South Wales, Australia - Died, October 2021, Parramatta, NSW, Australia
BOTH ...
As, the Spouse / Husband of:
Norah Selina LESTER ... [ L552-X1R ]
Born, 23 February 1928, Sydney, NSW, Australia - Died, 4 December 2006, Parramatta, NSW, Australia
Now ...
That Said ...
It is a simple matter of "Merging"/"Combining" the TWO (x2) Archibald Graham TYREELL's together into one.
You will have to "Merge"/"Combine" the TWO (x2) Archibald Graham TYREELL's by their 'FamilySearch Person Identifiers' (PIDs).
And, personally, I would retain Archibald Graham TYREELL ... [ LRXX-C71 ]; as, the "Surviving" individual/person.
Here are some "Knowledge Articles" in 'FamilySearch':
How do I merge duplicates in Family Tree by ID?
Follow the steps in that "Knowledge Articles".
IF, you have any problems/issue; THEN, come back here to this post; and, further help/assistance can be provided.
As an aside ...
IF, you want to, you can "Contact" the OTHER Users/Patrons, that have contributed to both, Archibald Graham TYREELL ... [ GSV6-CX5 ]; and, Archibald Graham TYREELL ... [ LRXX-C71 ], by simply selecting their "Contact Names" and sending them a 'Message' through "User Messaging" in 'FamilySearch'.
Here is a "Knowledge Article" in 'FamilySearch':
How do I send a message to someone who contributed to Family Tree or Memories?
and ...
How do I use FamilySearch Messages?
https://www.familysearch.org/en/help/helpcenter/article/how-do-i-use-familysearch-messages
I hope this helps.
Brett
( an "Aussie' from "Downunder" )
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ps: Here is a "Source" that you can use to confirm his Death.
The Ryerson Index
[ of Death Notices and Obituaries in Australian Newspapers ]
http://ryersonindex.org/search.php
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