Indexing error for Chiatura Region for Georgia 1871-1914
I found out that Familysearch was responsible for microfilming all the records of Georgia.
The records for 1928-1950 are available here for "Tchiatura"
The record of one church from this era (1871-1914) is available here "Čiatʻura"
I've heard all the records that Familysearch has have all been digitised. Is this true?
According to the Georgian National Archives 38 churches for this region are available for that time period (1871-1914). But only 1 is currently available on familysearch. It seems to me every other region for this time period exists in its entirety.
https://archival-services.gov.ge/saeklesio/regions/location/50 (Georgian Language)
I have also found records that are considered missing by the Georgian National Archives on familysearch. I have tried contacting the National Archives of Georgia and they don't know the microfilm numbers that familysearch uses. They only allow you to see these records in person. Which I found really surprising. So I don't know how to get this error fixed.
What can I do?
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Hi @JordanGruzin!
Thanks for letting us know - it looks like those records for "Tchiatura" have been incorrectly catalouged as church records, when they look to be civil registration records. Should they also be catalogued under Čiatʻura as well?
All of our microfilmed records have been digitized, but not all of them are accessible online due to archival restrictions, copyright reasons, or privacy issues (for more recent records). Some of these records may be available at a Family History Center digitally, while others may only be accessible at the Library in Salt Lake City. You should be able to see all of these records via the FamilySearch Catalog, whether they are available online or not. Just check the format column to see how they are accessible.
As for records that were considered missing by the Georgian National Archives, I can get you and the archives (if you have a contact there) in touch with FamilySearch's Eastern European content strategy specialist who works with archives. Also, when you are looking at a Catalog entry page, under the notes (usually under the red text), the fund, inventory and case number(s) (ფონდი, აღწერა,საქმეები) the records came from in the archive was recorded. That may be more helpful to the archive than the microfilm number.
Hope this helps!
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Sorry for the late response. Thank you for the advice and clarification. Yes, they've been accidentally labeled as church records when they're civil registration records. It's for the same region "Čiatʻura".
I'm assuming there are no restrictions ,if the records for "tchiatura" are avaliable for 1826-1870 on Familysearch and 1928-1940. I've checked and every other region for the time frame (1871-1915) and for every other region the records are available for this time period . As far as I know Georgia restricts everything after 1940.
For example a lot of regions like this one are still listed as "This is a preliminary description provided to allow immediate microfilm access." However I tried every variation and I couldn't find them for the region of "Chiatura"
I have also given them the exact fund, inventory and case numbers for the corrections, they initially made some corrections, but then they stopped talking to me. It appears everytime I email them or reach out to them on facebook I'm talking to someone different I presume. So no one is being held accountable.
I've tried asking them for the Fund, inventory, case numbers for Chiatura region to see if these records have been misindexed under a different name. But they don't want to give them to me. They're telling me to go there and do it myself. I've read about this online in 2 genealogical groups. And the employees there are notorious for being unhelpful.
I've tried reaching out to the people that microfilmed the records for the Genealogical Society of Utah and asked if they even microfilmed all of Chiatura in the first place. So far no response.
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Okay, great! The Catalog is currently not editable at the moment because we are undergoing a change to a new backend provider for the Catalog, but I'll add this to my list to send in as soon as it does become editable.
I'm sorry that the archive has been so unresponsive! That's always one of the difficulties about research in this area.
I know someone that might have an answer regarding if all the records from Chiatura were filmed. I will ask them and get back to you.
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Hi again. I did find out where Chiatura should be located.
It should be located on rolls 522-563 for GRGA TBL-2 Project.
and filmed between September 2nd 1998 to January 9th 1999 by Sergo Mirotadze.
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The beginning of Chiatura is located in Tsageri region's last microfilm
FILM: 2125983
IMAGE GROUP: 8950217
Page 747:
Region: Chiatura
Scanned by: Sergo Mirotadze
Church Records Fund 489, Description 8, Item 1-27
Roll Number 522
Project Georgia Tbilisi-2
Date: 2 Sept 1998
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*The microfilm above contains the of village Beretisa (ბერეთისა), which is the first village that should be part of Chiatura region if you're going by alphabetical order
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The end of Chiatura is located in Khobi region's first microfilm it says "Continued from another roll" which I cannot find
FILM: 1710157
IMAGE GROUP: 8939673
Page 4:
Region: Chiatura
Scanned by: Sergo Mirotadze
Church Records Fund 489, Description 8, Item 1571-1581
Roll Number 563
Project Georgia Tbilisi-2
Date: 9 Jan 1999
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I tried manually searching with the film and image group numbers going both ways but I couldn't find it.
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