What place did Maja Andersdotter move from in 1818 and notes?
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I am trying to find where the family moved from but I can't seem to find them in the move in book. Please help.
Also there is a note on their son, Johan. I need translation help and I am also hoping it tells where he moved to.
Thanks!
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The first part of the note on Johan appears to be some abbreviations which I don't know the meaning of. After that part, this is what I believe the note says: "Mean and vicious. Serving with Floding who (in) 1841 sought care of his instruction/teaching."
On that same line of the right-hand page it mentions page 591 (your record is on page 593). Turning back 2 pages, we see him again at Bånbro (farm or village) with Nils Floding at the top of the page. There is, in the move-out column, a note that he has gone to Hjulsiö in 1836. I am not sure how that works with Floding taking care of his instruction/teaching in 1841. I guess it is possible he went to Hjulsiö and then returned.
As far as the place where the mother, Maja Andersdotter, came from, it appears to be "Verml(and)". However, in the next household records it says she came from Vermland (Värmland) in 1818. See here for that record: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0001553_00133#?c=&m=&s=&cv=132&xywh=761%2C4036%2C1709%2C898.
This 1820-1829 household record shows her and her husband (Olaf Olsson-b.1774) along with Johan (with a different birthdate) and a daughter, Carolina (b. 1816): https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0000899_00067#?c=&m=&s=&cv=66&xywh=682%2C1962%2C3019%2C1586. It shows they have come from Vermland in 1818.
There is a move-in record (in 1819) here which I believe is your Olaf Olsson and family (#16-19): https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0000903_00055#?c=&m=&s=&cv=54&xywh=1612%2C2457%2C1553%2C833. It records "Olaf Olsson wife 2 children" moving into Finnfall, which is the same place as the farm in the household record above. The place they are moving from looks like Restad but I can't locate it anywhere.
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@Norm Baker Is Floding an occupation?
I was hoping to follow the children forward to see if their birth place shows up. Yesterday I did an ArkivDigital index search and I couldn't find records for them that were new. There was one record that showed up for his sister, Carolina, in Fellingsbro but it has been indexed incorrectly and wasn't her and I haven't found her on the moving in records for that parish.
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Thanks for your help.
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Floding is a surname. Nils Floding is the name of the of the man at the top of page 591.
As far as Carolina moving to Fellingsbro, the move-out record from Ljusnasberg is pretty clear that she moves to Fellingsbro in early 1844 (the household record says it was 21 Jan 1844). Unfortunately, the move-in records for Fellingsbro begin in April 1844. However, there is a 27 year old Carolina Olsdotter from Ljusnarsberg who gets married in Fellingsbro on 10 March 1844. (NOTE: I haven't found any proof that this is the correct Carolina Olsdotter, but it is a possibility that needs to be explored.)
That marriage record is here: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0000230_00065#?c=&m=&s=&cv=64&xywh=3012%2C1182%2C2982%2C1913. It is important to point out that the marriage record says she was from Ljusnarsberg, not born there. It also gives her husband's residence as Grönbo. He is here: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0000213_00125#?c=&m=&s=&cv=124&xywh=177%2C2275%2C4679%2C2459. A note says he has gone to page 10.
They are here on page 10: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0000213_00020#?c=&m=&s=&cv=19&xywh=285%2C1742%2C3761%2C1977.
They move to here (volume 5 page 105 according to the note on the previous record): https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0000214_00110#?c=&m=&s=&cv=109&xywh=163%2C2641%2C4310%2C2265.
There is no birthdate nor birthplace recorded for her in these first 2 records that they are in. That probably indicates that that information wasn't known to the writer. I didn't look beyond that but you could probably follow them until a birthdate shows up for her. If you find a birthdate for her and it matches what you already know, that will prove she is the same person.
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@Haux I am sure that I have found your Johan Olsson's birth record.
His birth record is here (b. 26 Feb 1813) in Filipstad parish, Värmland: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0037088_00079#?c=&m=&s=&cv=78&xywh=3402%2C2064%2C3018%2C1620. The farm is Damhyttan. (Note: Filipstad and Färnebo are very closely related parishes. They even have the same number [76] in the Family Search Wiki. Färnebo was called Värmlandsberg at one time which may explain the birth place, Värml(and)..., given in Ljusnarsberg for them.) See this Family Search Wiki article on Färnebo: https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/F%C3%A4rnebo_Parish,_V%C3%A4rmland,_Sweden_Genealogy
The mother, Maria Andersdotter, and son are here: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0037233_00034#?c=&m=&s=&cv=33&xywh=414%2C2633%2C2730%2C1434. Anders Carlsson (b. 1749) is probably her father but I wouldn't assume that Cathry(n) Jonsdotter (b. 1757) is her mother. The note to the right says Maria and Jan have moved to Saxån.
The whole family, Olof Olsson (b. 1774), Maria Andersdotter (b. 1779) and Jan (b. 26 Feb 1813) is here in Saxån: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0037233_00104#?c=&m=&s=&cv=103&xywh=-247%2C2825%2C3577%2C1880. Jan is apparently Johan in Ljusnarsberg parish Household Examination records. When he moves out to Hjulsiö his name is Jan. See this article in the Family Search Wiki on "Sweden Personal Names-Interchangeable First Names": https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Sweden_Personal_Names
This is a bit of a jump, but Jan Olsson is also here (1836-1846) in Fellingsbro (on the same page as Carolina Olsdotter's soon-to-be husband Gustaf Gustafsson): https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0000213_00125#?c=&m=&s=&cv=124&xywh=-108%2C774%2C6501%2C3416. His birthplace is listed as Filipstad but his birthdate has been changed (several times in these records!).
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I am excited to check these all out!
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If this is them where did they go before they showed up in Ljusnarsberg? Carolina isn't shown as being born in Filipstads or Färnebo. Unless her birth date completely different then the record.
The next household record in 1846 show her born in Ljusnarsberg.
These are the Carolina's that I found born here
Ljusnarsberg - birth for Carolina - 23 September 1816 to Anders ?hilipsson and Maja Andersdotter.
Birth for Carolina - 11 December 1816 to Carl Samelsson and Catrina Persdotter
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I am going to be out of town until Saturday night. I will try to answer your questions after that.
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Have a good time
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Carolina had to have been born in Färnebo. I followed the family in the household records and she suddenly shows up in there.
Beginning with this record (same as above):
(Residence: Saxån) 1812-1816: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0037233_00104#?c=&m=&s=&cv=103&xywh=-142%2C2400%2C4024%2C2134 . The family is crossed out but no note as to a move to a different place.
(Residence: Saxån) 1812-1826: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0037235_00124#?c=&m=&s=&cv=123&xywh=424%2C72%2C3006%2C1594. Move out column indicates Mörtkärnshy(ttan)
(Residence: Mörtkärnshy(ttan)) 1816-1821: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0037235_00113#?c=&m=&s=&cv=112&xywh=169%2C24%2C4092%2C2170. Carolina shows up in this record. Move out to Kopparberg. I don't know why she isn't in the birth and christening records, but she must have been born there.
In the Family Search Wiki, under Swedish Parishes, Kopparberg is listed as being in Örebro county and it says to see Ljusnarsberg. See here for that page: https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Swedish_Parishes_I-R.
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@Norm Baker I love seeing how much the research Wiki can help with the places as they change.
I agree that Carolina would have been born in Färnebo. I will be putting that in the notes as I link all of these records together.
Do you have a record for Jan in Hjulsiö?
Norm - "Jan is apparently Johan in Ljusnarsberg parish Household Examination records. When he moves out to Hjulsiö his name is Jan. "
Thanks for all your help. Every time I think I have this down and understand how to get around another curve ball comes. It is so wonderful to know I have help
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You are very welcome!
Johan (Jan) is in the Ljusnarsberg household records when he moves to Hjulsiö in 1836 (his birthdate is 13 August 1813 in this record): https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0000901_00133#?c=&m=&s=&cv=132&xywh=523%2C2452%2C3690%2C1939
Jan's (Johan's) move out record (from Ljusnarsberg to Hjulsiö) is here (entry #26): https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0000905_00043#?c=&m=&s=&cv=42&xywh=247%2C3238%2C2954%2C1586.
I don't have a record for him in Hjulsiö before the one here which you already have: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0000213_00125#?c=&m=&s=&cv=124&xywh=-108%2C774%2C6501%2C3416. It should be possible to follow him back in the Hjulsiö records to where he moves in, but I haven't done that.
I found Jan through Carolina's marriage record which I supplied in an earlier message. The right hand column of that marriage record says "the bride's sponsor (is) the bride's brother cottager Jan Olsson in Karparbäcken under Grönbo". That is where Jan's birthplace (Filipstad) was noted in the Household Exam record. See here: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0000213_00125#?c=&m=&s=&cv=124&xywh=271%2C836%2C2518%2C1323. Further down on that H.E. page is Gustaf Gustafsson, Carolina's future husband.
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Well, it looks as if I misspoke about Jan being in Hjulsiö household records. I just noticed that the household that I referenced was actually in Fellingsbro not Hjulsiö.
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@Norm Baker Thanks. I was going to work on this yesterday but I ended up helping someone else. Once I sit down with all of this I may have some more questions.
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@Norm Baker I have found the connection for Jan Olsson. It connects his birth parish and living in Fellingsbro. So Exciting!
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Färnebo kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder, SE/VA/13146/A I/13 a (1812-1816), bildid: C0037233_00104, sida 92
What does the note say for Olof Olsson - Does it state he moved from page 19?
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@Norm Baker I need to finish that thought.
I found an Olof Olsson there but there is no birth year so I am wonder if I have gotten that correct.
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First my question above.
Second I have finished following Carolina Olofsdotter and now I am trying to back trace her husband, Gustaf Gustafsson.
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This record shows him moving in to this area in 8143 from Kopparberget. In our previous conversation you shared that Kopparberg was the same place as Ljusnarsberg. Is that what is meant here?
If that is true then I believe I have found him here.
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Carolina is also on this page.
Am I going the correct direction>
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First, your question of July 3:
"What does the note say for Olof Olsson - Does it state he moved from page 19?": I believe your Olof Olsson on page 19 is the same Olof Olsson as the one on page 92.
I can't make out all of the note on page 92 but it looks like Olof Olsson didn't like to get permission from the priest to move. The first part of the note on pg. 92 says something about "without a (moving) certificate" and the last part says he moved in without a certificate. It looks to me like he moved from page 19 without a certificate.
The record on page 19 in Damhyttan (where there is no birth year for him) says he has moved to Horrsjön.
In Horrsjön, he is here on page 36 (second name from the bottom): https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0037233_00047#?c=&m=&s=&cv=46&xywh=462%2C2107%2C3104%2C2961. This says he has moved to Saxån which is the your record on page 92.
I hope I have gotten the moves correct. I think I have, but it is fairly confusing.
Second, your questions of this morning:
"In our previous conversation you shared that Kopparberg was the same place as Ljusnarsberg. Is that what is meant here?" Yes, Kopparberg is the same place as Ljusnarsberg. I think Kopparberget and Kopparberg must be the same place. There is a Gustaf Gustafsson who moves to Fellingsbro from Ljusnarsberg (Kopparberg) in 1843. See here for that moving record (entry #40): https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0000905_00061#?c=&m=&s=&cv=60&xywh=309%2C1367%2C2709%2C1424.
"Am I going the correct direction>" Yes, I believe you are going in the correct direction.
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Thank you for confirming. I will continue to work with Gustaf.
I am also working Carolina's mother Maria Andersdotter. I have followed the record back to the year of her birth. I have found several siblings on the record. I have been unable to find the birth records for Maria or her sister Lisa. I feel like I am missing something.
"Sweden, Värmland Church Records, 1509-1925; index 1640-1860," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DCF3-XTJ?cc=1978776&wc=Q66Y-SXW%3A260757701%2C260757002%2C261598001 : 22 May 2014), Färnebo församling > A I Husförhörslängder > 9 a, 1789-1794. Östra Bergslagen. > image 71 of 255; Landsarkivet, Göteborg (Sweden Regional Archives, Göteborg).
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I also believe I have found her parent's marriage record. Anders Carlsson and Catharina Jeansdotter on October 18.
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Can you help me with Anna Margareta's birth place? 2 September 1812 in Nora
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I am not sure what to make of the relationship with her. She is listed as a foster daughter but later a step daughter.
Foster daughter records
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Step daughter
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I went back to the birth record and realized it had a page number on it. That was cool. The household record is a bit confusing though. It looks like the child, Anna Margareta, is 4 lines above her mother. They are both shown as moving out of this area in 1814 but is looks like they move to different places. I think that is what is throwing me off the most.
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I am not sure why the mother and child are separated as they are in the Household Record. It is possible that the page was full with only one blank line, so the priest put the information there. There are some marks in the far left column that are probably used to link people. At least, there are marks there that may indicate that Anna Margaretha is linked to Greta Andersdotter (in addition to the note on Anna Margaretha saying she is "maid Greta's illegitimate daughter").
The mother and daughter did go to different places in 1814 according to the Household Record. The mother goes to St(ora) Rytterne and the daughter goes to Grythyttan. Neither place has move-in records for that time period. Also, there are no move-out records for Nora.
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I did a index search and found her here. There is note for her that I do not understand.
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Here is where she goes next
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I am now working from birth forward but I won't get much do on it until next wee
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I can't make much out of it-there are too many abbreviations. The last line may be absol(verad) 2 = granted absolution (for) 2 (offenses) but it could be something else.
I looked through the first 100 pages of the book and there isn't another entry like it, so it must be pretty special.
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I wondered if that is what the last part meant. As I continued to track her I found her record in Rytterne. I think it agrees with the "granted 2 absolutions" since this record is shows she had another child, Johan Gustaf, born 31 May 1815. He is listed on both of these records. The first link he is 7 lines below her and the second link he is 4 lines below.
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"Sweden, Västmanland Church Records, 1538-1901; index 1622-1860," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GY46-9CY8?cc=1978777&wc=Q6DL-6TL%3A260793001%2C260787402%2C261438301 : 22 May 2014), Kolbäcks församling > A I Husförhörslängder > 9, 1812-1818. Med ortregister. > image 74 of 437; Landsarkivet (Sweden Regional Archives), Uppsala.
It seems like most of the challenges I am having are because the children are born out of wedlock. I have been struggling to find birth records. I am wondering if a woman has not be absolved would the child not be christened but would be christened after her absolution? If that is the case I believe I have found Greta's birth record. 12 Januaury 1794 even through the all the household records I have found state she was born in 1793.
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I have found Greta's household record just before her birth. It shows her mother as Anna ? Nygren. Anna is listed as having several children. Stina Andersdotter, born in 1788. I can't find her birth record. Gretha, born in 1793. I can't find her birth record either. Sara, born in 1801; Anna Andersdotter, born in 1803. I have found both of their birth records. Anna, born in 1808. I believe I have found hers as well but her name is Anna Kajsa.
On Sara's birth record it states that the mother's name is Anna Pehrsdotter Nygren. That is why I believe I have found Greta's. Both records show the mother living in Brunshyttan at the time of their birth but I can't find her there.
Sara's record
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Am I on the correct track?
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