Help please with this patron question: Patron has a well-developed and full tree. He asked if there'
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No because it is not HIS tree. If he had touched the person recently you might have luck finding them listed under the recents tab (found on a person page) or try typing in the name in that recents search box.
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@DanaChou DanaChou - I would recommend that he do descendancy research. Have him pick an ancestor a couple of generations back from those that were members of the church. This will probably take him back to say the mid-1700's. If he does a descendancy view of this person he should probably find someone to do or add.
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I'm just beginning to appreciate Puzzilla, and wondered if perhaps there was an answer there. Indeed, at least with the Premium version, it seems to offer what you're looking for. These are two of the features listed in the Premium version (I've highlighted the key words that seem to answer your question):
-- Search the chart for records containing (1) a name, place, or ID number and/or (2) a birth within a specified time period.
-- Hide or show a subtree. A subtree is a subset of the entire tree beginning with the selected person.
And Puzzilla Premium is available in FHCs for free as one of the many Premium web sites available only there (not even in FamilySearch Affiliate Libraries). Another good reason not to abandon FHCs - there are too many advanced goodies there to ignore, whether the researcher is a member of the Church or not. Now I can't wait to get back into our FHC and try this out! So far I've only looked at the marvelous way Puzzilla makes searching for potential ordinances far easier due to being primarily a decendency tool. Hope this is your (or at least one) answer.
-- Chris
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Great suggestion! Thanks.
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This is a great answer!
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The annual cost for premium Puzzilla is something like $39, and if used a few times, well worth your time, instead of taking a trip to a FHC. I use it to show potential areas to work on (gaps in descendants' children). There's a new add-on you can use via Chrome that seems to scan sources to see if there's a new person in the sources that could add people to your tree.
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Hi, I’m new to this calling but have 45years of experience in doing my family tree, I would never recommend anyone to just use family tree, use a third party program like Roots Magic to keep your tree on. So you can see easily what work needs doing as all the names in your database belong to you.
the issue with all databases is that you are searching the whole data base there is no realistic way of doing a search for just one part of the database. As others have said there are ways around it, but it is the nature of databases.
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I fully agree. Even if just for the following reason (and @John K Webb gave other good reasons), use of a separate third party database is an excellent idea. Just last week I learned (thanks to the "Watch" feature in FamilySearch) that someone had done extensive changing in one grandfather's line. Trying to sort through all the nearly two dozen changes he made - some un-doing what he'd done just minutes before, then re-doing them - was a daunting task. But with a separate database, it's easy to see what was there before. And John's suggested database (RootsMagic) is also free in the FHC, or rather inexpensive as a personal purchase. If used in the FHC, changes can be made and saved to a USB thumb drive and taken home. One of the frequent visitors in our FHC asked me to install Legacy the other night 9also available to FHCs) because that's what their family uses. He brought in a high capacity USB drive and did some extensive work in the FHC, took the data home, and was fully backed up immediately with all of his changes.
The bottom line is that the separate database allows portability, backup, and the ability to see what FamilySearch looked like before someone went in and made major changes to your family.
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I understand fully your frustration.
I would say that RootsMagic essentials is free. And Includes FamilySearch/tree integration along with Ancestry share. So cost is no barrier to doing it right.
also Ancestral Quest provide similar product and a free version.
this link should help anyone to choose.
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Puzzilla has some very useful features that are free. The full featured version can also be used at a Family History Center with out charge. It can really help someone with a full tree quickly identify a good starting place or find gaps in descedancy research.
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@Rasmussensuem Rasmussensuem - I suspect auto correct messed up your message. You are probably talking about Puzzilla. It fits the description you gave above.
@Chris Schmink and @John K Webb - I too have been doing this for more years than I want to admit to (actually a little over 60). IF a patron is serious about getting into family history big time, then yes a personal data base on their computer using RootsMagic, etc. is a must. But this is just for that small portion of our patrons. I never bring up this option with new patrons until they demonstrate that they are willing to get into this in a serious way. Most of our patrons will dabble in Tree a little but interest will never really go beyond that. But for the few that really get the bug, then yes it is time to talk about going to the next level. The guy @DanaChou DanaChou mentioned is probably at that point.
There is one problem with the initial start up of a data base for a beginner who wants to get into this big time. That is most likely they will want to upload the data in Tree that has "their family lines" but do they know that the data they start with is in fact accurate. If they import a pedigree and descent from Tree with the expectation that it is accurate they may be in for a rude awakening as we all know how frequent there are errors in Tree. That is why I recommend that they only upload a small part of their tree at a time and then verify it by checking the sources, etc. before extending the tree any further.
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Well, there *IS* beta.familysearch.org, which is a SEPARATE, "time-delayed" version of familysearch, where new capabilities are rolled out/tested before it moves to familysearch. It uses your same familysearch credentials, so you don't have to remember another password. The data there is updated on an irregular basis, and you just want to remember to log out of there before doing edits to the normal familysearch.org.
Data can be delayed anywhere from a week to 6 months in the past. It's a way to look at ordinance data and sources of deleted persons without having to undelete them in the real familysearch.org.
FWIW
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Use FIND with the ID number instead of filling out the name, places and dates. I keep an excel sheet of most of the people I am currently working with (about a thousand) with the ID numbers (along with RootsMagic). My database has 8 Friedrich Barths, so searching by ID is fast and specific.
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If you go to your Recents List and type in the ID number you can find the person that way. You can also type in the persons full name and that would work too but of late I've found that doesn't always work but not sure why, with the latest update it might be working again although I haven't tried it yet, something for my todo list 😉
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@Rasmussensuem Rasmussensuem - Did you mean Puzzilla?
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@Robert Givens said:
"There is one problem with the initial start up of a data base for a beginner who wants to get into this big time. That is most likely they will want to upload the data in Tree that has "their family lines" but do they know that the data they start with is in fact accurate. ... That is why I recommend that they only upload a small part of their tree at a time and then verify it by checking the sources, etc. before extending the tree any further."
I could not agree more! While FamilySearch will always be a work in progress, people who are not members of the Church have an understandable frequent dissatisfaction with it because it is open to all, and there is only one tree for everyone. People get "their" tree "messed up" by someone else and get angry or offended (occasionally with good reason). We all need to make sure we're doing our best to clean up - i.e. verify accuracy of data as well as whether each person is in fact THE "John Jones" that should be in that spot on the tree (or if "John Jones" was really even his name). And one of the things we should all be doing is linking specific sources (as close to primary sources as possible) for each piece of information - not just throwing in names and "about" dates with no reasonably valid basis for the entry. The more we see FamilySearch as a collaborative effort rather than our own lineage as "ours," the better we'll all play together and help each other out. After all, the ultimate objective of FamilySearch is to seal the right person into the right family.
[By the way, Robert - MY tree goes all the way back to Adam and Eve! I know this for a fact because FamilySearch says so!!! I even saw their pictures once when I followed my lines back that far! ROFL! 😂 ] (The preceding is NOT to be taken too seriously, even though the pictures really are there if somebody hasn't taken them out since. Eve even had a parent listed - "Rib". LOL!)
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Yes I did mean Puzzilla. My phone and auto correct are not buddies. I have corrected the original content.
My comment does not really answer the question either, but I think puzzilla saves a lot of searching for a good starting place, so I went off on a tangent
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There is a way to submit a separate (detached tree) into Family Search. Go to "Genealogies" under the "Search" button. You can submit your tree and other people can look at it but not touch it.
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Being unfamiliar with this feature of FamilySearch, I noted that one can input either a "Relationship" (name and birth/death/marriage data) or "AF Number." According to a Wiki article on Ancestral file, it was discontinued in 2003, when the (then new) "Pedigree Resource File" (PRF) was introduced.. And it appears that PRF was essentially swallowed up into Family Tree in 2011 as it brought in the Ancestral File data, Pedigree Resource File data, all the old 4-generation charts some of us older folks submitted years ago that became part if Ancestral file, etc. So therefore, while it may be helpful, it's not the same as the data in Family Tree within FamilySearch, because what we typically see in Family Tree has largely been changed as people get new (or more accurate) data on their ancestors and change all that data in Family Tree.
The "Genealogies/Search" resource therefore is only essentially an older, somewhat outdated version of what's constantly being updated in Family Tree, it appears - not just an extracted set of data directly from what each of us sees in our tree when we sign into FamilySearch. It could be useful as a tool, but shouldn't be relied on as the most recent data available.
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I hadn't thought of this idea for my patron although I also use a program separate from FamilySearch for my tree. I couldn't manage my data properly without it, or easily find people in FS without first getting their PID from my desktop program. I agree it is very helpful to have one's tree someplace where others can't change things.
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if they know the persons id then they can go to https://virtual-pedigree.fhtl.byu.edu/login/ and search at the top left corner the persons id number and find them that way it is also a faster way to get more ordinances for the temple! hope this helped!
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