I've found two birth for the same person. Which would be correct?
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I am not sure which people you are asking about. Can you clarify the question?
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I guess that would help. Sorry. I’m looking at Christian Mauritas Kragh or
Jensen. The family name was changed from Jensen to kragh.
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Thanks, I was just in Salt Lake the week before Christmas and this is the first information I’ve found. I’m totally a novice at working with anything about Denmark. Thank goodness for google translate. I’ve seen his name with C and K. I actually never expected to find anything and am beyond thrilled with what has been found.
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I think you have 2 different people you are looking at. Christian Martinus Jensen Kragh (from the 1901 Census) is not the same person as in the birth record you attached. The census indicates Christian Martinus was born 25 November 1898. His birth is here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?bsid=173021#173021,29055984 . The birth record in the image you attached, is for Marius Kirstejn Jensen Kragh. His birth, per the attached parish birth record, is 18 November 1900. The 1901 census has a child, Dreng (boy), who was born on that date. I suspect that he was called that because he hadn't been christened yet. The birth record indicates that he was christened on 20 April 1902, nearly 1 1/2 years after his birth and after the 1901 census had taken place.
Also, don't stress about the change from C to K. Names were spelled according to how the person spelling them thought they should be spelled. It is quite common to see Christian spelled Kristian-they are the same person and the same name.
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Thank you, when I pulled up the family on Family Search. I now think that he is the Dreng and is who the family called Marcus. So, now how do I list that in Family Search? As Marcus (I'm guessing they changed his name when he came through immigration) or Marius?
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Thanks for being another set of eyes and helping sort this out.
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Marius Kirstejn Jensen Kragh is the one listed as "Dreng" (boy; he was an infant at the time) in the 1901 census, like @Norm Baker writes. That census lists his birth date as 18 Nov 1900, which is the date on the birth record you attached.
In the tree, I suggest listing him under his birth name. You can then add additional versions of his name by going to Other Information, clicking on Add Information, and then clicking on the first choice, Alternate Name.
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A brother of your ancestor Marius Kirstejn Jensen Kragh, Ejnar Vilhelm Jensen Kragh, was born in Ålborg Budolfi parish on 20 Feb 1894 (linked) and confirmed in Ålborg Vor Frelser parish on 12 April 1908 (linked). His sister Karen Ingeborg Jensen Kragh was born in Ålborg Budolfi parish on 2 April 1896 (linked). His brother Kristian Martinus Jensen Kragh was born in Ålborg Budolfi parish on 25 Nov 1898 (linked).
The more recent censuses are not fully indexed yet, but you can browse them by going to https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/sogn2874/census and selecting the year, Originals, and the street name. They moved around within Ålborg, though:
In the 1896 record, the family was living at the address Absalonsgade 6; in the 1900 birth record of Marius Kirstejn Jensen Kragh and the 1901 census record you have, the family was living at Helgolandsgade 6; and in the 1908 record, the family was living at Danmarksgade 10.
From the 1901 census, we know that the father, Niels Christian Jensen, was born in Nibe parish on 26 June 1869 (linked). On his baptismal entry it mentions he received a name proof/certificate of Niels Christian Kragh on 31 Dec 1905 by Ålborg city, according to VA 635-1910. He was the son of the unmarried Laurine Vilhelmine Christiane Krag (born in Nibe on 30 May 1849) and Julius Jensen of Bjørnsholms Mark. His mother came from Ålborg on 1 Nov 1868. His parents were married on 27 Nov 1869, before the child was baptized on the same day.
By the way, the baptismal records also mention in the right-hand column that the name Kragh was proven on 31 Dec 1905.
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Thank you! My husband's grandfather was Ejnar Vilhelm Kragh.
Another thing from the last sentence . . . the name Kragh was proven. Does proven mean the name change was approved?
Interestingly enough the name change was a family rumor (gossip) on my part. No one knew why. The rumor was that some woman was the last Kragh and that is why they changed the name. It looks like Niels Mother might have been why they changed the name. Wish my mother in law was here so I could share it with her. Though I guess she already knows. It was just a secret to us.
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Another question? Family rumor is that Niels Christian Jensen Kragh divorced Jensine. With his correct name in FamilySearch three sources popped up for Denmark Census of 1921, 1925 and 1930 for his name and birthday with a wife Christine and son Henning. How do I know if that is the same Niels?
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The record that should (hopefully!) make it clear whether or not it's the right Niels would be his and Christine's marriage record; it should list whether he is widowed, divorced, or single, and it might list the name of his previous wife.
That being said, the censuses you mentioned (1921, 1925, and 1930) ALL list the birth of Niels Christian Kragh, husband of Christine and father of Henning, as being on 26 June 1869 in Nibe parish. I double-checked his church baptismal entry, and there is only one child born on that day in that parish; since we already know that child is the one who grows up to marry Jensine Jensen, we know he is also the same person who later marries Christine and becomes the father of Henning--only the reason at this point is still unknown, as it could be either a divorce or the death of Jensine.
In the 1921 census (linked), columns 9-10 state that Niels Christian moved to the community in 1891, with last residence before that being Christiania (it does list his birth place as Nibe, though, which matches the birth record I linked to above). His wife moved to the community in 1917, with her last previous residence being Brønderslev.
In the 1930 census (linked), columns 17-19 state that Niels Christian got married in 1917, that he has one surviving child from his (current) marriage (i.e., Henning, listed in the census) and 0 deceased children. Since we know from the census that his and Christine's son, Henning, was born in 1919 in Ålborg, we want to search for him in one of the Ålborg parishes. At this point we do not know which parish, though.
To determine what parish the family is in in a specific Danish census on FamilySearch, move back an image or two until you see a title page of sorts, called the "Folketællings-Skema"; the one for 1925 is on image 376 and lists the parish name as Ålborg Budolfi. The 1921 census is also taken in that parish, so that is likely the parish that Niels Christian and Christine were married in.
Before looking for the marriage in 1917 in the Ålborg Budolfi parish, I also looked up the 1940 Danish census. That census is not yet available on FamilySearch, but it is available on both MyHeritage (linked and attached). The wonderful thing about the 1940 Danish census is that column 9 lists the date of the current marriage: 23 April 1917.
Now with the date 23 April 1917 and the place Ålborg Budolfi parish, you can go straight to the church records and locate the marriage record of Niels Christian Kragh and Christine Sørlusen (linked). The marriage record states, translated:
Groom: divorced carpenter Niels Christian Kragh, age 47, born in Nibe on 26 June 1869, resident of Hukken 2; parents: Laurine Vilhelmine Christiane Kragh and the small farmer Julius Jensen (both dead); 1st wife: Jensine Jensen, divorced according to royal license/permission [kongelig bevilling] from 6 January(?) 1917 for the husband to enter into a new marriage.
Bride: The unmarried girl Christine Sørensen, age 34, born in Hjørring on 3 April 1883 [I found her born on that date in the Hjørring Sankt Catharina parish, linked], resident of Hukken 2; parents: unmarried Johanne Marie Christensen and unmarried Christian Sørensen (the parents [later] married in Hjørring).
They were married in Ålborg Budolfi parish on 23 April 1917, by the pastor Beck in the church, with the witnesses Christian Sørensen and Hans Frederik Hansen present, after the banns were proclaimed on 9, 15, and 22 April 1917.
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This record shows a divorced cabinet maker, Niels Christian Kragh (born 26 June 1869 in Nibe), marrying Christina (or Christine) Sorensen (born 3 April 1833, in Hjøring) in 1917 in Budolfi Parish, Ålborg, Denmark (#33-top entry): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?bsid=173027#173027,29058371 . Sounds like your ancestor.
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It states that he "fik ... navnebevis" on 31 Dec 1905, which means he received the official proof of his name change on that day; this likely means that the name was officially changed on that day as well, but he may have gone by that name (unofficially) before then.
In 1904, just a year and a half before he changed his name, a new name law went into effect that was meant to reduce the number of patronymic surnames. If someone could prove that a surname was used in their family line, they could change their name to that surname (see https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Name_Change_in_Denmark). This is probably why Niels Christian changed his name from the extremely common surname of Jensen to his mother's more unusual surname of Kragh.
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Yes, this is the marriage record I have linked to above as well; it specifies that Niels Christian Kragh divorced Jensine Jensen before marrying Christine Sørensen.
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