# 43 What is the surnames of the father & mother. on the father i see Nicola di Biaggio Antonel

debbiehowell

# 43 What is the surnames of the father & mother. on the father i see Nicola di Biaggio Antonelli and on the mother i see Maria di Mauridio di Rosa Does the di Baiggio and di Mauridio mean their father's name? Thanks for the clarification.

Referred to @Indexing Chat​ by admin.

 

I am indexing this batch and am slightly confused as to the surnames. M9HV-V8S share batch # https://www.familysearch.org/indexing/batch/4ddf0710-2051-447c-be5c-cac1ad491f4f

Heather R Jacobs

I am glad that you asked this in the Italy Genealogy Research Group as I value their input! I am also going to tag @Hoopes Fred Russell​ to see if he is able to help as well.

debbiehowell

I never received an answer and the indexing batch has been taken back. But I have come up against this same issue again where the names are listed like such: Raffaele di Maccrilio di Rosa and another example Rosa di Vincenzo Russo. How do I index these Italian names. I think (but am not positive) that the name after the given name is possibly the person's father (di Maccrilio) and the last name (di Rosa) is the surname. Am I correct? These records are 1810-1812 time frame. @Hoopes Fred Russell​ 

Hoopes Fred Russell

i'm so sorry, i didn't see the first question until you asked me the second. i'll do better at looking for emails of this kind in the future.

you are correct!! Rosa di Vincenzo Russo does infact mean Rosa "of" Vincenzo, or Vincenzo is Rosa's father. often times it will include an, "e di" and then the mothers name as well. that is the beauty of these records. they give us so much information!!!! you will also see Rosa "fu' Vincenzo, meaning that her father has died. remember that when you see that Rosa is listed as Rosa di ......Russo, you can not index her surname because you can not assume her last name by her fathers name. i know, i don't like it eather, but it is the rule. you simply put "blank" in the surname margin. same goes for the father of the child. if you only see it as, "Gorgio di/fu Giuseppe Russo, the only way you can include Gorgio's surname is if he signed the document or you can find it somewhere else in the document or as a note on the side of the document. i love to help and learn, and believe me, it is always a learning process.

thanks for the question

Hoopes Fred Russell

i hope this is not confusing. to clarify, if you see, "Gorgio Russo di/fu Giuseppe" you can index Gorgio's surname. same goes for the mother. this is more of a problem for the mother than the father. there are several places to look for the father's surname but generally only one place to look for the mother's name.

debbiehowell

Thank you so much for your clarification. I have to admit that I indexed the information wrong on the 2 batches that I did where I came across this. I am glad that someone will review my mistakes and correct them. I think on the 1st batch I put the father's given name as the person's surname . On the 2nd batch I put the person's given names with the father's given name on the Given Name line ( Maria di Vincenzo) and then the last 'di Rosa' on the surname line! I have been indexing/reviewing for about 30 years, but only Italian indexing for 2 years. My family comes from Campobasso, Molise, Italy. I don't know the Italian language well enough--so i just index them and let someone else who is fluent in Italian review them. Thanks again

Hoopes Fred Russell

are you specifically trying to index records from the Campbobasso area? if you are not particular as to that area, you may find the Grosseto Birth records a little easer to index. for me, the hand writing of records more in the 1870's+ are a bit easer to index. i'm sooooo glad you index Italian records!!!

as i review i find several thing that i wish some indexers knew. sometimes i think it would be nice to offer a class for those that index to help us all stay on the same page.

here are a few of the things i find as problems for some indexers and some things that help me as i index:

1 use "search records" when checking spelling, relationships and many other things. for example, if you have a hard time understanding the spelling of a person, often times that same person has had other children and you can compare those records to the record you are indexing. be sure to type in the city you are indexing as part of the search criteria. i know other sources are also helpful i.e. pagine bianche etc.

2 remember that notes of marriages and deaths are not indexed when indexing birth records.

saves a lot of time not to have to index them just to know that the reviewer will delete them.

3 don't include surnames, father or mother, unless they are accompanied by given names. for example if a record has "Giovanni di Paolo Panichi" the surname Panichi can only be used for the fathers name if is written as "Giovanni Panichi di Paolo" or if it is some where else in the record i.e. signature, added to last sentence explaining that the declarant can not spell, or added to a note of marriage etc.

4 if one line of a record is on the previous page, that is where the record should be indexed. for example if a new batch has the record number, name of child etc, on the first page, but on the previous page is the first few lines of the document, don't index that record. same is true for the last page of a batch. if even one line of the next record is on that page, index that record.

 

anyway, you can tell i love indexing Italian records.

if you have any questions, there are many smart people in this community that are willing to help. if i can, nothing would please me more.

BELIEVE ME, WE ALL LEARN FROM EACH OTHER!!!!! AND IT'S SO MUCH FUN!!!!