I am trying to confirm if these two persons are same

Deniese Drake

I am trying to confirm if these two persons are same

In family search tree- Elis Hane GSD2-NBT and L2TY-5W1. The 2nd Elis I have traced from Sölvesborg house exam vol. 20 to move in 1873 to Malmo. Having trouble getting from there to Östra Degernas, Karlskoga 1856-60 vol 34, if these2 are same. Any suggestions or help much appreciated. Pg 342 in vol 34. Deniese​

Deniese Drake

Oops. Correction. 1st Elis is GSDZ-NBT.​

Heidi Kuosmanen

Ok, I traced the 1. Elis from Karlskoga, he moved a lot 😃

 

Elis Hane moved from Karlskoga to Visnum 11.10.1861

Karlskoga kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder, SE/ULA/10513/A I/37 (1861-1865), bildid: C0002077_00479, sida 528

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0002077_00479

 

In Visnum, Crontorp, p. 99

Visnums kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder, SE/VA/13623/A I/20 (1861-1865), bildid: C0039294_00116, sida 99

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0039294_00116

 

Moved to Nysund 20.10.1862 p. 417

Nysunds kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder, SE/ULA/11131/A I/17 b (1861-1865), bildid: C0002452_00362, sida 417

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0002452_00362

 

Moved to Nyköping 1863 p. 249 to his farther’s brother family(Carl Hane b.14.5.1815)

Nyköpings S:t Nicolai (före 1953 Nyköpings Västra) kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder för Nyköpings Västra församling, SE/ULA/11128/A I a/16 a (1861-1865), bildid: C0005737_00109, sida 249

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0005737_00109

 

Nyköpings S:t Nicolai (före 1953 Nyköpings Västra) kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder för Nyköpings Västra församling, SE/ULA/11128/A I a/16 b (1861-1865), bildid: C0005738_00037, sida 946

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0005738_00037

 

Nyköpings S:t Nicolai (före 1953 Nyköpings Västra) kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder för Nyköpings Västra församling, SE/ULA/11128/A I a/16 b (1861-1865), bildid: C0005738_00032, sida 939

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0005738_00032

 

Moved to Öster 30.10.1865 p. 154

Nyköpings Alla Helgona (före 1989 Nyköpings Östra) kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder, SE/ULA/11129/A I/17 (1861-1865), bildid: C0005828_00138, sida 154

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0005828_00138

 

Nyköpings Alla Helgona (före 1989 Nyköpings Östra) kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder, SE/ULA/11129/A I/18 (1866-1870), bildid: C0005829_00128, sida 151

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0005829_00128

 

Moved to Kristianstad 1866

Kristianstads stadsförsamlings (Heliga Trefaldighets) kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder, SE/LLA/13214/A I/18 (1865-1871), bildid: C0060755_00178, sida 1924

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0060755_00178

 

Moved to Malmö June 1867, With Carl Hane again

Malmö Caroli kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder, SE/MSA/00553/A I/42 (1865-1869), bildid: C0067486_00038, sida 33

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0067486_00038

 

Malmö Caroli kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder, SE/MSA/00553/A I/77 (1869-1878), bildid: C0067522_00065, sida 80

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0067522_00065

 

Moved to Jerusalem 1869

Malmö Caroli kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder, SE/MSA/00553/A I/72 (1868-1877), bildid: C0067517_00254, sida 308

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0067517_00254

(Carl Hane in previous page)

 

Moved to Möllebacken 1870

Malmö Caroli kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder, SE/MSA/00553/A I/71 (1868-1873), bildid: C0067516_00311, sida 392

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0067516_00311

 

Got married 19.4.1873 with Ingrid Catharina Svensson

 

Same man!

 

Deniese Drake

Oh my! I am sure it won't be in this lifetime but I will have an angel hug for you in the next. The move to Jerusalem will be interesting to find but wondering if going the other direction with the 2nd Elis will help. I still think they are same person but question the place of birth. The 2nd Elis in sources the 2 listed exams say Virserum, karlstad. The 4 exams in tasks for him say Virserum, Kalmar. According to wiki there is a Virserum, Kalmar but not karlstad. I understand karlstad county is actually Varmland- if I am reading correct- but the exams are quite clearly written. Elis #1 born in Varmland would make sense. Kalmar does not. ?????​

Heidi Kuosmanen

You probably did not notice that I had edited my answer, problem solved, they are same Elis Hane!

Heidi Kuosmanen

Yes, 2nd Elis sources say Virserum, Karlstad län. Virsenum is a misspelling from Visnum and Värmland county has been called sometimes as Karlstad county because Karlstad is a capital city of Värmland county.

Deniese Drake

Did you look at the exams listed in the tasks for 2nd Elis. The 3 most recent say Kalmar. Was that error on part of person taking down info? Can you tell me what the Roman numerals are about- like the ones next to Jerusalem? Thank you thank you. I will keep working on other person you had helped with and will hope you have time to assist others and have time for your own family. Deniese​

Heidi Kuosmanen

In those Record Hints, Elis Hane is correct person, but that clergy who had written the information, had written the birth place wrong. At first Visnum had changed to Virserum, Karlstad län and then some one had corrected also the county from Karlstad to Kalmar. As you had noticed that there is a real place called Virserum and it belongs to Kalmar county and that clergy maybe thought that someone had written Karlstad instead of Kalmar, quite similar names.

 

Roman numbers before Jerusalem, they are address numbers, they tell you the block or plot, where they lived. Jerusalem is the city district of Malmö.

Deniese Drake

Thank you for the explanation on Roman numerals and for pointing out that Jerusalem is in malmö. More to learn every day. Have a great day.​