amsterdam marriage record never appears in search

ri48

hello, i have never been able to view the portuguese amsterdam marriage record which another site says is no. 733 - 320 from 1754. i wish i could see it, and someone could translate it, but it never comes up in the search.

Margreet

Which Record are you searching for?

ri48

it is the marriage of jacob israel and marie abraham.

gjt47

That would be the banns of Jacob van Raphael Israels and Marie Abrahams, 17 May1754:

https://archief.amsterdam/indexen/deeds/f1c3087c-a5e5-47b8-8419-689a7fe4c9b6

See left page, top entry.

Various notes (top and left margin):

Sij mans dood goet ingebragt - Death of her spouse (Gabriel Henriques) correctly noted.

Hij wees heeren consent - He had consent of orphanage masters (so he was an orphan)

Sij weescamer voldaan - She paye the orphanage (apparently she and Gabriel had children)

Actual text of banns:

Appeared before us Jacob van Raphael Israels

from Amsterdam age 20 years in the Houtstraat (residence)

parents dead

Maria Abrahams from Copenhagen

Widow of Gabriel Henriques in the Kerkstraat (residence)

Printed part is standard text saying objections to this marriage can be made and that the fiancees have no blood relationship

ri48

hello, thank u so much for taking time to find and translate that. it seems to me, since she is 17 and is paying costs associated w his being in the orphanage, that he might be seventeen too, not twenty.

i am working w the names alvares, israel, jacob, jacobsen and levin

ri48

it would seem to me that they returned to her family in kopenhagen.

ri48

also, if she was a widow at 17, could she have been staying in the orphanage, as her family was in kopenhagen, and she had no other option ?

gjt47

I guess there are some misunderstandings:

• Nowhere in the document is recorded that her age is 17. In general in these documents ages are only recorded at first marriage (Jacob). Maria was a widow, so this marriage not the first one
• She paying the orphanage is not related to Jacob, but to any children she had with Gabriel
• Copenhagen was Maria's origin. No indication of returning to Copenhagen in thix context.

gjt47

This is the earlier marriage of Maria and Gabriel Henriques, 12 May 1752, where she is recorded with age 38.

https://archief.amsterdam/indexen/deeds/81181317-79dd-4ab1-a06b-f739230e0800

Gabriel Henriques was buried 6 March 1753 on the Portugees Israëlitische Begraafplaats.

https://archief.amsterdam/indexen/deeds/3d53e766-bbe7-4cb0-a8f0-f3e6dd1772d7

ri48

i am sorry, i see now that the 17 goes w the date 17 may. thank u for clarifying this was a second marriage for her.