Beatenberg BE - baptism - 1847 - Herrmann - mother's maiden name

Gina Palmer

Ev.-Ref. Beatenberg, Baptisms

n. 11 - 23 May 1847 - Johannes Herrmann (page 242 or 498)

The child's mother is Margarita Gafner, geb. Schüpbach from here. In German records I would take that to mean her maiden name, but in Swiss records my understanding is that the maiden name is always used for the females. Does it mean she was born in Schüpbach, though here citizenship is "from here" (Beatenberg)?

But then the witness Peter Schüpbach von der Schwarzenegg, is identified as the mother's brother, which would indicate that is her maiden name. In 2 of Johannes' marriage entries his mother's name is listed as Gafner. In one, Schüpbach was initially written then crossed out and replaced with Gafner.

link to FamilySearch image: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-VLS8-KX

link to Bern archive PDF (see image 248): https://www.query.sta.be.ch/Dateien/18/D94126.pdf

WSeelentag

You are quite correct - "geb." stands for "geborene" = nee, giving the maiden name. You are also correct that in Swiss records a women kept her maiden name when getting married - this changed during the 19th century, at regionally different times / levels - usually towards the end of the century (often 1876) but occasionally earlier.

You were faster than me 😉. On https://www.query.sta.be.ch/Dateien/18/D94129.pdf#page=15 you also find her marriage with Friedrich Herrmann - she was a widow. Looks like her widowed name was given here (as her deceased first husband is mentioned as relative, not as usual the father). I have to admit that I have seen this never before either.

"adm." stands for "admissio" = Zulassung (admission) to the communion, i.e. in the reformed church a child's confirmation. The last line most likely refers to the Bürgerrodel.

I hope you don't mind that I (with some hindsight) changed to topic title from "What does the 'geb.' refer to for the mother?" to "Beatenberg BE - baptism - 1847 - Herrmann - mother's maiden name".

Best regards - Wolf

Gina Palmer

It appears geb. means geb. - that was indeed her maiden name. I found her first marriage. I just hadn't seen that in Swiss records before.

I do have another question... what do the notations mean that begin with 'adm' in the 1871 marriage record from Biglen, Bern?

FamilySearch link: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-KMS6-17

Gina Palmer

@WSeelentag Thanks for your reply and helpful comments and answers.

And thanks for changing the title. It's been a while and I forgot about the "format."