Scherzingen TG - baptism - 1812 - Anna Hafen - Translation
Anne Hafen was a illegitimate child of Anna Hafen and Caspar Hafen. I really need translation of all the words. I hope somebody could help. What I'm looking for was if the mother Anna Hafen was a widow, or any other information.
Thak you so much.
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ein uneheliches Töchterlein v(on) Anna … Hafen
Der während der Geburtswehen angegebene Vater soll seÿn: Joh(ann) Kaspar Hafen v(on) Scherzingen.
Taufzeugen: 1) Hans Geörg Bollmann v(on) Scherz(ingen); 2) A(nna) Ursula Hafen, ledig, Schwester der Mutter.
During labour the mother had stated that Johann Kaspar Hafen was the father - no further details which could help to identify him. The mother was most likely single - at least nothing else is mentioned.
The second witness was the mother's single sister.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/film/008194673?cat=53377 contains several "Familienbücher" - these may be helpful: do you know when the mother was born - and her parents' names? If you find her parents' entry, this will quite likely mention the illegitimate grandchild … whether it has more info on the father is a different question. Look also for a "plausible" Johann Kaspar - possibly the claim is mentioned.
There is a discussion on Hafen von Scherzingen on https://www.geneal-forum.com/phpbb/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=27448: no connection (yet) to your line. If you discover any connection (in earlier generations) and can add to this topic, this would be appreciated. Registration is free and without any obligation … and whilst this discussion is in German so far, the forum is multilingual and English is fine.
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Again, thank you so much. It's so helpful. I really appreciate you taking the time to help.
I have found two Anna Hafen in Scherzingen (several Anna Barbara, Anna Catharina, Maria Anna etc. -Hafen, but just two who could be the mother of the child, also considering age) One Anna Hafen who would be 18 years in 1812. She later got married in 1822, and "my" Anna Hafen a widow who was 35 years in 1812.
I will Check out the Familienbücher. I didn't even new they excited. You have been so helpful with all the extra hint too.
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I guess I have found your Anna Hafen (b.1812) in the Billeter collection: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSVG-FL5L?i=43&cat=72269.
Her parents are found on https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSVG-FLRC?i=33&cat=72269 - and there is no mention that she ever married.
Billeter is very useful to find a starting point - but he is not 100% reliable, especially the filiations are occasionally questionable (and difficult to follow up as he doesn't mention the sources). In the 19th century the situation is better - but you should still check the original records.
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Thank you som much. Then there is another Anna Hafen I missed. Not the family I'm searching at all. This Billeter collection is a treasure. What kind of collection is it?
I will make sure to read the original sources.
Thank you again.
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https://kunden.eye.ch/swissgen/asinfo-e.htm#6
These examples are taken from his handwritten notes - an index of names can be found on the Basel Genealogy Society web page - copies can be ordered but there is a fee.
For selected families there are typed lists - these have been filmed (now digitized) by familysearch and are viewable freely.
Most of his work was done on contract. What usually is very reliable are the data copied from the records - but especially in earlier centuries some filiations are questionable; unfortunately he doesn't mention his sources, which makes it difficult to verfy his filiations.
Just a note on "SwissGen": these pages have not been maintained they way this should be done, due to lack of time. Some links may not work any longer, and the "Swiss Surname Directory" was killed by technical problems - has partially been superseeded by sources like the Swiss Surname Register now being available online, and to some extent been replaced by participating in https://www.geneal-forum.com/. "Swissgen" still contains some useful information - you just have to keep in mind that it was started almost 30 years ago.
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