Need help with the burial witnesses, please

Martha Murray

Germany, Lutheran Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials, 1500-1971; https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSWC-5S2G-M?cc=3015626

Jakob Ludwig Vogel

Hi

I need help with the burial witnesses. The squeezed in line is throwing me off.

Feel free to correct any of my mistakes.

Thank you!

Jakob Ludwig Vogel alt. 7 M u. 15 Tage

Im Jahr ein tausend acht hundert vier und fünfzig den drei und zwanzigsten October, Nachmittags halb ein Uhr starb zu Neuenheim und wurde am fünf und zwanzigsten daselbst Mittags zwölf Uhr durch den unterzeichneten Pfarrer beerdigt: Jakob Ludwig Vogel, Eheliche Sohn des Bürgers und Landwirths in Neuenheim Jakob Vogel II und seiner Ehefrau Anna  Barbara geborenen Lentz. Zeugen Ludwig Lentz II Bürger und Landwirth auch Mitglieds des Kirchlichen und Volklichen Gemeinde(—) in Neuenheim und (——) Bürger und Weingärtner Johann Adam Hormuth (————————————————————).

Handschuhsheim d 25 October 1854  Bürck, Pfarrer   

 

Robert Seal_1

@Martha Murray

Good morning Martha,

The following will help and perhaps another community member can fill in the two remaining blanks:

Zeugen Ludwig Lentz II Bürger und Landwirth, ___ auch Mitglied des kirchlichen und weltlichen Gemeinderaths in Neuenheim und ______  Bürger und Weingärtner Johann Adam Hormuth; das Kind war alt sieben Monate und fünfzehn Tage.

Comments: There is a short word before "auch", perhaps "ein"?

Regarding the blank before "Bürger": The word begins with a "d" and is possibly a word which means "from here/there" or "local".

Martha Murray

Hi Robert:

I agree that the word before auch is ein. Good catch!

Could the other blank be a sloppy daselbst?

You're the best!

Robert Seal_1

Hi Martha,

I don't see the letter "b" in that "d" word and the word possibly ends with "sige".

Martha Murray

Hi Robert:

I agree with "d" word and the word possibly ends with "sige." Yet I can't find a word that remotely comes close.

Hopefully someone will have a suggestion.

Ulrich Neitzel

Hi Martha and Robert,

the word before "auch" is "wie"; "wie auch" means "as well as".

From the meaning in the sentence the word(s) in the other blank should be either "des hiesigen" or "des dortigen". Unfortunately the handwrting of pastor Bürck is rather careless so it is difficult to decide; I would vote for "dortigen".

BTW: the word after fünf und zwanzigsten is "desselben" (of the same) , not "daselbst".

Martha Murray

Hi Ulrich

Pastor Bürck is getting old by 1854 and his handwriting is getting very sloppy. I'd be surprised if he didn't have a touch of arthitis. He has been at it close to thirty years. We are lucky as we have computers.

That is the 1st time I have seen wie auch.

I think you are right as Robert Seal and I both thought it started with a D.

I always mix those two up. Thank you for catching it.

Robert Seal_1

Thank you, Ulrich.

Martha Murray

Thank you for all yout help everyone.

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