New to German Research
Most of what I have is undocumented information. I have not done any research in Germany. So I have lots of questions. Is this the place to start asking question's or is there something else I should do before?
Here is where I am at:
I have found a maybe? using the book Pennsylvania German Pioneers. I have read through most of this book and have a great respect for my German Ancestors.
My ancestor is Johan Peter Shrout b: 1733, immigrated 1754. Landed in Pennsylvania aboard the ship Neptune on Sept 30th 1754.
Page: 621, Image: 683, [List 221 A] List of Peoples Names on Board the Ship Neptune, Capt. Waire,from Rotterdam, arrived at Philad. Sept 30th 1754.
Peter Srott
Joh. Michael Shrotte
Page: 623, Image: 685 [List 221 B] List of Foreigners imported in the Ship Neptune, Capt. Waire, from Rotterdam. Qual. 30th Sept 1754.
Peter (X) Srott
Johann Michel Schrott
Page: 625, Image: 687 [List 221 C] At the State House at Philadelphia, Monday, the 30th Sept. 1754. P. M.
Present: The Worshipful Charles Willing, Esquire, Mayor.
The Foreigners whose Names are underwritten, Imported in the Ship Neptune, Captain Waire, from Rotterdam and last from Cowes, did this day take the usual Oaths & Declarations. 142 Qualified. 260 Freights. 400 Souls. Palatinate, Darmstad, Zweybrecht. 4 Roman Catholicks.
J. Peter (X) Shrot
J. Johann Michel Schrott
Melhores respostas
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Zweibrücken is a town in the west of Germany, near the border to France https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zweibr%C3%BCcken
In the 18th century Germany was split into many kingdoms, duchies, electorates etc., see map below.
The city of Zweibrücken and its surroundings formed the County Palatine of Zweibrücken, marked by the red circle in the map, which belonged to the Wittelsbach dynasty, the rulers of Bavaria.
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Ulrich Neitzel
Thanks that helped lots.
Where did you get the map?
Roger
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Hi Roger,
I found a Geni profile for a Johan Peter Shrout b 1733 in Germany and died in West Virginia.
If it matches up with your ancestor you might want to investigate the records for this person and see if they really do match up. Please note that it is best to investigate and question the data to make sure the work has been done well. There are lots of Geni profiles with good work but also profiles that are questionable.
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Thanks for the information and I have that and it matches the Peter Shrout I am working on. I am trying to find some type of German record that will help me get his date and place of birth.
Thanks
Roger
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OK Here is something I don't understand:
Zweibruken section near Saarland, Germany and landing in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania September 30, 1754.
Can anyone give me a link to a map showing Germany in 1754 and point out this location?
Thanks
Roger
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Hi Roger,
I'm seeing several purported birth dates and locations for your Johan Peter Shrout and the huge red flag is that none give any references to back it up.
It would be best first to find some U.S. record from the time he was living or at his death that gives his birth date. Later sources should be doubted until proven true. Otherwise you can never be certain that the German birth record you find is for your Johan Peter Shrout or some other Johan Peter Shrout. You must use caution here, sometimes people find someone of the right name and age in Germany and decide this must be the right person and give that birthdate to their ancestor. That date gets picked up by others (without verification) and pretty quick it looks like it is accepted fact that his birth date is xyz.
For your Johan Peter Shrout I've found some profiles saying born about 1730, others specifically saying born in Lebach, Saarland 18 Aug 1733 and the family search profile LKKM-J28 showing born 18 Aug 1733 in Schwarzenacker, Homburg, Saar-Pfalz-Kreis, Saarland. None give references for the dates and locations so should not be accepted as fact. But the familysearch profile for his father MJH2-TFS has a baptism record for Johan Peter Shrout attached showing a baptism date of 23 Feb 1731 in Mettmann, Rhein, Preußen. Here is the link for that record (5th record left side image 26):
https://community.familysearch.org/en/discussion/120849/new-to-german-research#latest
But all we know from this record is that a Johan Peter Shroot was born to a Conrad Shroot and wife Margaretha Hausmann in early 1731 in Mettmann. It doesn't mean that is your Johan Peter Shrout.
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I looked to see whether the Mettmann Johan Peter Shroot had other records that indicated whether he emigrated. He stayed in Mettmann , married in 1770 and died in 1796. There is another ID for him G8Z7-W33. So he is not your Johan Peter Shroot.
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I appreciate all of the help from each of you.
I have found a reference to where Peter Shrout may have emigrated from but with just this it is hard to be sure. I would like to find the actual emigration record to see if both Peter and Michael are listed. Also to see if there is other information that may be of help.
Can anyone help me find the actual record either on-line or in some library?
"Peter Shout emigrated in 1754 from Schwarzenacker, Germany. This is near the east, southeastern border of Saarland. He is listed in the Church Archives there as Hans Peter Schott and as leaving on ship #222 in 1754. Palatine Immigrant, Vol. IX, No. 3, Winter/Summer, 1985, Saarland Emigrants. Their source was from the Manumission Protocols, Duchy of Zweibruecken, Bo1. 2, 1750-1771 from the Church Archives of Zweibruecken."
Again Thanks for the help
Roger
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In the book "Eighteenth Century Emigrants from German-Speaking Lands to North America, Volume II: The Western Palatinate" by Annette Burgert (1985), she included Johann Peter Schott from Schwartzenacker and Wörschweiler Cloister. He emigrated on the ship Phoenix in 1754. Mrs. Burgert referenced what appears to be the source that you have above - the Zweibrücken Manumission Protocoll. There was also a Ludwig Schott on the same ship, who appears to be a son of this Peter. Peter and Ludwig settled in Lebanon County, Pennsylvania. Thus I don't think that the reference is to your Peter Schrott.
What is interesting, though, is that these two ships - the Neptune and the Phoenix, both sailed from Rotterdam and arrived in Philadelphia two days apart - September 30 and October2 in 1754.
See the following link for a list of the Phoenix passengers:
Mrs. Burgert also found two marriages and several baptisms for children of this Johann Peter Schott in the Zweibrücken Lutheran church records. Although FamilySearch does not have images for the film covering this time period, the records are searchable. See the following catalog entry:
I would not focus on Zweibrücken specifically, as the passengers on these ships were from a wide region of south-western Germany. The lead above for Lebach looks to be your most promising.
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