What is the name of the farm?
Anders Lars, 8 February 1780 in Julita, Södermanland, Sweden. His parents are listed as Lars Larsson and Brita Erichsdotter. I am struggling to read what farm they were living at when he was born. Please help me figure it out.
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I am not able to make all of it out, but it looks like Skögjötal. There is no place by that name in Julita parish. However, looking in the area around Skogstorp (the closest in the place register), I did find the family on page 102 of the household records (SE/ULA/10497/A I/1 a 1783 – 1794). Anders, born 8 February 1780 is the bottom entry on the page. See here: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0006777_00114#?c=&m=&s=&cv=113&xywh=27%2C-129%2C5611%2C4982. (This household record is really odd because there are no females in it! I have never seen that before.)
In the "Came in from" column, there is a note that Anders was born in Sjögö_________ which looks to be the same place shown in the birth record. There is a place in Julita called Sjögölet in the Family Search Wiki. See that here: https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Julita_Parish,_S%C3%B6dermanland,_Sweden_Genealogy. So I am confident that the place is Sjögölet.
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Oh wow, you found them! This is the only parish that I have a seen a male and a female book for the household records. The first time I saw them I was very confused.
It looks like Pehr moves to Stora Malm in 1790. Olof it looks like moves once in 1787 to Äspodahl and again in 1792 to Wäsby. Did I get those correct?
I can't quite make out the note for the father, Lars Larsson. I know it has something to do with 1788. What do you think it says?
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Due to the blurriness of the image, I can only make out the last two words -"Barnens underwisning 1788". I believe, then, that the note has to do with the children's education/instruction in 1788. If someone who reads this has access to Arkivdigital, this is probably clearer there. I will be at the Family History Library in SLC next Wednesday. If no one has helped with this by then, I can look at it and ask some of the Nordic experts there for help.
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I believe you are correct about the movements of Pehr and Olof.
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I miss being able to go to the Family History Library. I loved the help I got there.
Thank you for your help.
I have another question. The oldest son in the family is already out of the house with a family of his own. I am trying to find him.
The oldest son is that family is, Lars, 5 January 1785, Julita. I thought I knew where he was born but every place I have checked I could find him.
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The birth/christening record says the place is Brogtor(p).
There is a Lars Larsson born 5 Jan 1785 in Julita here (in the middle of the page): https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-10180-189573009/lars-larsson-in-sweden-household-examination-books#fullscreen. Also here in Riksarkivet: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0006781_00263#?c=&m=&s=&cv=262&xywh=-221%2C836%2C4718%2C2479.
He is also here with a wife and child (3rd entry from the bottom): https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-10180-174371714/lars-larsson-in-sweden-household-examination-books#fullscreen. Here in Riksarkivet: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0006784_00142#?c=&m=&s=&cv=141&xywh=-562%2C523%2C4718%2C2479.
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Thanks. I was able to track him back to 1806 but then I lose him again. Lars Larsson, 1785 is in Olofstorp in 1806 but when I go back to the next book I do not find him.
His sister, Catharina Larsson, was born 21 May 1789. Can you tell me where she was born?
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It is Brynstorp.
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If I give you a Family Search PID # can you look at it? Lars Larsson M99G-W3G.
What I think I have is two different Lars Larsson's. One is born in 1759 and that is whose children I have been trying to follow and the other is born in 1761 whose parents are Lars Larsson and Brita Erichsdotter.
I have been attaching sources but really need another pair of eyes to review my work and see if I am on the correct track.
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Where does the 1759 Lars come in? Can you share some information about him?
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Remember how I was working on Lars Larsson, 1785? Well, his father on Family Search is listed as Lars Larsson, 1761. Since the household record starts in 1783 I was trying to find him with his birth family. When I found him the father listed is Lars Larsson, 1759. The mother listed on the birth record is Annika or Anna Olofsdotter, 1757 (as shown on the household record). When I go to the women's book I find Anna with Brita and Catharina, their daughters.
Men
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9PPM-CHC?from=lynx1UIV8&treeref=M99G-W3G&i=205
Julita, 2a, page 189
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9PPM-ZK4?from=lynx1UIV8&treeref=M99G-W3G&i=132
Julita, 1a, page 124
Women's
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9PPM-CPK?from=lynx1UIV8&treeref=M99G-W3G&i=209
1a, page 198
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9PP9-Q8DM?from=lynx1UIV8&treeref=M99G-W3G&i=193
2a, page 184
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Do you think I have things correct?
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Sorry about the wait.
It is difficult to know, for sure, but I think the father for Lars Larsson (GHYT-TK4) is incorrect.
Lars Larsson born 5 Jan 1785 had parents Lars Larsson and Annika Olofsdotter. He was born in Brogtor(p) farm. That birth record is here: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0006816_00137#?c=&m=&s=&cv=136&xywh=1902%2C740%2C3741%2C2008. However, I am unable to find him and his father in Brogtorp. But they do appear in Brynstorp. You have this record already, but I will link it anyway: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0006777_00136#?c=&m=&s=&cv=135&xywh=90%2C1235%2C3965%2C2084. This household record gives the father's birth year as 1759.
So in trying to find more information about his (Lars Larsson GHYT-TK4) parents, I was able to find the engagement (or marriage) record of Lars Larsson and Annika Olofsdotter. They were engaged (or married) on 31 August 1783. He is from Stora Gertorp farm and she is from Brynstorp farm. That record is here: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0006816_00264#?c=&m=&s=&cv=263&xywh=414%2C1028%2C2759%2C1770.
Stora Gertorp farm lists 2 Lars Larssons living there and one of those was born in what looks like 1759. Lars has moved to Brynstorp in 1784. That matches up really well with a marriage for him and Annika Olofsdotter in 1784 so I am reasonably sure that he is the correct Lars. That record is here: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0006777_00130#?c=&m=&s=&cv=129&xywh=226%2C2121%2C3395%2C1784.
So if your Lars Larsson's father was born in 1759 (rather than 1761) then the father that is entered for him in Family Search Tree cannot be correct.
Assuming he was born in Julita and not elsewhere, there were 2 Lars Larssons born in 1759. The first is here (born 24 February 1759): https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0006816_00078#?c=&m=&s=&cv=77&xywh=314%2C3455%2C2661%2C1328. The farm is Rökär(r) and his mother is Kirstin Andersdotter.
The second Lars Larsson, born 10 June 1759, is here: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0006816_00078#?c=&m=&s=&cv=77&xywh=2244%2C3894%2C2661%2C1429. He was born on Stigen farm and his mother is Brita Nilsdotter.
I hope this helps and doesn't add to the confusion for this family.
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This does help. Thank you for taking time for such a detailed response.
I followed Lars, born in 1759 and in 1813 his birth is shown as 10 June 1859. 3 a, page 219
I am wondering if Lars' (1785) birth record is just showing a mistake of the birthplace since everything else seems to fall into place.
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I also took the time to go through each page in book 1a looking for Lars Larsson, 1761. I tried to look carefully but I did not find him. There is clearly a birth record for him. There are several possibilities. He could have died before the household record starts in 1783 or he moved out of the parish before 1783.
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