Information for Anthony J Martin born County Mayo, Ireland
Hello Irish Group!!!
I have a handwritten "family tree" that shows Anthony J Martin was born in 1853 In County Mayo Ireland. He died May 17 1896 in Scranton PA.
This family tree also shows his father as John Martin who died December 5 1893 in Ireland. No other information is given.
Could anyone direct me to a source or document showing this information to be true. Any other additional information would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you
Wendy
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Good morning, Wendy.
I'm new to this group, but I'm an experienced Irish researcher. The first thing we always ask, not to be nosy, but to help guide the research, is "Do you know the religion of your ancestor?"
Ireland began civil registration of births and deaths in 1864. Non-Catholic marriage registration began in 1845. Before those dates, we have to look for Church records - and knowing the religion helps to know where to look and, even, if records might exist.
Irish civil records for most years are available, free, on the Irish government-sponsored site, irishgenealogy.ie. We may find the death of John Martin there. If Anthony married in Ireland, we may find his marriage record there.
Pennsylvania began keeping civil death records, statewide, in 1906. No help, there, unfortunately, for a death certificate for Anthony naming his parents.
If your family was Roman Catholic, the RC baptisms and marriages are available free online on registers.nli.ie and on FindMyPast. There is a project in process to digitize some Protestant registers, and a few are online on various sites.
Church registers for Mayo are somewhat scarce. One of my ancestral branches is from Mayo, and that has been a disappointing area of my research. It's also important to remember that exact dates were often not as essential to our ancestors as they are to us. They didn't have to prove their ages to drive a car or buy alcohol or vote. We always search several years either side of a date cited.
Hope this helps.
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Thank you! You are the first and only to comment on my question so far, so Thankyou! Also, thankyou for the other sites I can look at. I will research them.
Since I wrote it, I received more information that could possibley pinpoint as to where in County Mayo they are from.
I'm sure they were Catholic because several descendent became priests and anyone who has died in Scranton PA have been buried at the Cathedral Cemetry, a Catholic cemetery for the Diocese of Scranton.
One possible village they might have come from is "Islandeady, a church, bar and phone booth outside of Westport, County Mayo." (quote from a cousin just a few days ago).
Another possibility is information on Mary Hope, born 21 April, 1864 in Ballina, Co Mayo. Her parents were James Hope and Mary Howley.
Again, thank you so much for caring enough to give me this wonderful information and places I can look. If you have any other ideas for me, I would love to hear them.
Have a beautiful day!
Wendy
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Knowing a townland is very useful. If you are new to Irish research, a townland is the smallest of the land divisions in Ireland. Approximately equivalent to a street address today.
Islandeady (townland) is in the civil parish of Islandeady, the Poor Law Union of Westport. For finding civil registration records, the PLU (poor law union) is important because records are registered in that PLU.
Claire Santry's Irish Genealogy Toolkit is a good place to start learning about Irish research. https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/
Another resource is www.johngrenham.com. John's website shows that RC records for Islandeady do exist, with baptisms from 1839 to 1913 and marriages from 1839 to 1903 available on a variety of websites or services.
There is a baptism of a child, surname Martin, father John and mother Honor, on 29 August 1853. The child's surname has been transcribed as "Karty." I'll let you decide if you think that might be your person of interest. https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632042#page/128/mode/1up On the righthand page.
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Do you have Anthony's immigration and naturalization records? These may mention a town of origin.
In Irish genealogy it is very easy to get mixed up between multiple people of the same name. There wasn't a lot of variation in both first- and sur- names. The 1853 baptism that @MADonnelly has found seems promising, but I'd personally want more evidence, as family lore is often partially inaccurate.
I looked at the baptism records from Ballina for April 1864 and didn't find a Mary Hope: https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634632#page/101/mode/1up
But I did find a Mary Hope matching your description who was born the next year. Here's her civil birth record: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03569/2314709.pdf
but I couldn't find a Catholic baptism in the Kilmoremoy (aka Ballina) parish. Maybe they went to a neighboring parish.
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I almost always search more broadly than a single parish for that reason, just as I search broadly on dates.
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Looking on Ancestry, I see a large number of trees for Anthony Martin, b 1853 in Ireland and died 1896 in Pennsylvania. The one with the most attached sources shows Anthony's father as Patrick. I haven't had time to verify the accuracy of the attached sources.
If you are not a subscriber, your library may provide access to the Library Edition of Ancestry.
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/113930336/person/180179376420/facts
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Good Afternoon!
I have a real frustrtion connecting a source showing that Patrick is the father to Anthony.
I have looked at Ancestory and I may have missed a source showing Patrick as Anthony's father, but I think that the information showing Patrick as the father is wrong.. He belongs to another family.
I am trying to find informtion that shows a John Martin who died in Ireland in 12/5/1893 as his father. I have a handwritten family group sheet showing John as the father.
I have looked through all those sources, on family search as well and if I have missed something, I don't see any "real" evidence showing Patrick as the father.
I haven't any immigration or naturalization papers as of yet.
I will continue using the research suggestions ( Thank you!! I'm looking through the links you have given me) and hope to get true answers.
Thank you sooo much, to both of you,
Wendy
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In some "birth records" for the family, I am finding "Event Place: Ballina, County Mayo" but then "Event Place Original: Clooteaph, Ballina or Bonnycoulon, Ballina. Any idea what/where Clooteaph or Bonnycoulon is?
Thank you
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With regards to the place names, I assume that these are baptism records from Ballina ?. Clooteaph and Bonnycoulon are probably the places mentioned in the records as the residence of the parents.
Firstly, I strongly recommend looking at the original records rather than relying on transcriptions and indexes. The image quality of a lot of the Catholic baptism records is poor, leading to transcription errors.
Then, have a look at this list of townlands in Co. Mayo: https://www.townlands.ie/mayo/ (bottom of the page). If you click on any of the civil parishes or other geographical subdivisions, you can see a list of townlands from that area, instead of the entire county.
I had a look at Irishgenealogy.ie for death records of John Martin. There were 19 John Martin's who died in 1893.
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to A Van Helsdingen,
Thankyou for the info and suggestion. I will look at the town lists in Co Mayo.
Your advice to always look at the orginal document has proven to be invaluable. I always try to look at them for the most accurate information.
I looked at the link you sent me showing the birth of Mary Hope born in Ballina. What a find!
I will look athe neighboring parishesfor her baptism when I can.
I REALLY appreciate your effort and time helping me. You are a gem!
Thank you
Wendy
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Would anybody recognize the town Anthony Martin was born in that is on this document?
Thank you
Wendy
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/2361/images/007254612_00388?pId=2217139
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@Wendy Phillips not a town, but a county. Fermanagh.
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I think it is Fananargh
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See above - County Fermanagh.
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cool! THANKYOU!
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