Danish names appear wrong - are they?
My question is around the names of parents in this death record. https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/60716/images/44494_350006-02587?pId=4925913 (Sorry, I can't seem to locate it here in FS). This is the record for Marie Andersdatter (G935-1QC), who was born in Denmark and spent the last 10 years (or less) in Indiana with her son. She died there. The parents are listed as John Anderson (which I have changed to Johannes Anderson, GZG5-GZS) and Elsie Kringleberg (which I have changed to isabella, GZG5-247). It is her son, Andrew Jensen, GMTC-27Q, who provided the information. He was born in Holstebro and came to the US as a young man. I would think he knows his grandparents information - but maybe not?
So, my questions are this: First, Kringleberg doesn't sound like a name it sounds like a place. When I do a search of the FS tree for any person of that surname who resides in Denmark, only my record comes up. Is there a clue here I am missing as to what information Kringleberg is hiding? It seems to NOT be a name Second, if Marie's last name is Andersdotter, shouldn't her father's first name be Andreas instead of John?
If this puzzle can be solved, I would appreciate any help! Thank you!
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I think that this must be your Marie Kirstine (bottom entry): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=398402#398402,74459120.
She is born the 26th September 1823 in Nørre Gørding, Ringkøbing, Denmark and home-baptized the 27th of September. She was christened 19 October 1823 in the church. Her father is Anders Nielsen Esage in Ståbye and her mother is servant Karen Petersdatter Kringelborghuus.
The birth was in Norre Gørding parish where, according to the information in Family Search Tree, the marriage between Niels Jensen Grydgaard (G7SZ-GFD) and Marie Kirstine Andersdatter (G935-1QC) took place. That marriage record is here (top entry): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=386607#386607,74139408.
Andrew P. Jensen's (GMTC-27Q) birth record is here (bottom entry): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21619450#387646,74163739. He is born 18 May 1858-you may want to correct that in Family Search Tree. Since his surname in the birth record is the same as his father's surname (Jensen), this family has already quit using patronyms. See this article for information about that: https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Denmark_Personal_Names. The information under "Patronymics" is especially relevant.
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Thank you so much for that! I have noted different birthdates for Andrew P Jensen before, I am not sure where the incorrect one came from, but I have corrected the record, as well as his maternal grandparents records. So when you wrote that Marie's mother is servant Karen Petersdatter Kringelborghuus, what does that mean? Why is Kringelborghuus appended? or Esage with her father?
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With so many people having the same name in a parish, often the writers of the church records would add another identifier, often a place name, to a person's name so that they could be distinguished from one another. That identifier often became a part of their name. Kringelborghuus means "Kringelborg house". As far as Anders Nielsen Esager (I mistakenly wrote "Esage" in my first post), the birth record says he is in Ståby (or Staby) parish. Staby parish has a place named "Esager" and I suspect that is the purpose of that identifier for him. You can see that place name here: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/sogn1330/stednavne.
I was able to locate a couple of other children born to Niels Jensen Grydgaard and Maria Kirstine Andersdotter Kringelborg. The first is here (first entry-Jens Nielsen Grydgaard): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=386605#386605,74139385. In the parents' names column, it says the mother is "the woman Maria Kirstine Anderdatter Kringelborg and she claimed the father was Niels Jensen Grydegaard of Ulborg Parish". In the remarks column, on the far right of the page, it says pretty much the same thing.
The second one is here (entry 30-Jens Peter Nielsen Grydgaard): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=386605#386605,74139387. By this time the Niels Jensen Grydgaard and Maria Kirstine Andersdotter were married and the birth/christening record reports that they are "in Kringelborg".
I looked at the other births in this parish until about 1868 and didn't find any other children born to them-perhaps they moved or just didn't have any other children.
One last item: you probably should change Andrew P. Jensen's birth parish to Ulfborg, Ringkøbing rather than Holstebro, Ringkøbing.
If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask.
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I did find that the family moved to Ulfborg parish at some point. Here is another son born 24 February 1855 (top entry-Jens Andreas Grydgaard): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=387646#387646,74163735. It might be useful to you to look through the records to see if there are any more. Remember that girls are in another part of the book: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=387650#387650,74163807.
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@Norm Baker You have found quite a bit! I will work on updating the records today. This is pretty interesting. I do not read or understand Danish, other than one word that is certainly applicable here: tak, which I was told means thank you. If Andrew P Jensen was not born in Holsetbro, that is a family legend busted for sure although an uncle of mine did suggest that. I note that Ulfborg is not that far from Holstebro. In 1946 my uncle (stationed in Germany at the time) visited his grandfather while on leave. Andrew took him outside Holstebro and showed him a farm called Grugaard and told my uncle he was born there. Andrews parents worked the farm and lived in what was basically a hole in the ground.
After living in the USA since the 1880s, Andrew moved back to Denmark around mid 1920s and was living in Holstebro around 1937 or so. He wrote many letters home before during and after WW II, which I have inherited. I have transcribed a few so far and put them in his account memories. I found mention of Andrew's father fighting for the Danes in both the first and second Schleswig wars, and that Andrew's father's brother died in the Second war and is buried in a cemetery in Augustenburg, which is not part of Denmark today.
Anyway, thank you so much!
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