Genealogical research for a german-danish/swedish couple 1855-1870 in Denmark, Aalborg
Hello together,
my 3rd greatgrandfather was the son of an actually german man and a danish or swedish woman.
He was born in Germany, Brandenburg, Prignitz, 11.dez 1870. In his birth and marriage record, it is noted, that his mother was named Johanna THUVALDSDOTTER, once is noted, her wrong name was Johanna Thüweneelsen. His father was Johann Daniel Gerike (1821-1871).
Recently, I found two danish baptism records:
- daughter Catherine Friederike Gerike *21.mar 1869 in Brorstrup,Haverslev, Aalborg, Denmark - for her I have her death record in Germany, where the family lived (+ 03. apr 1874)
- daughter Johanne Marie Kristine Gerike *03. aug 1861 Brorstrup,Haverslev, Aalborg, Denmark => mother was wrong written Johanna Thybe Elsen, rightly Johanna Tuvadsdotter, *1837 around.
My maternal grandmother, the 2nd-great-granddaughter of this scandinavian woman, did at 23andme a DNA test. The result is, that in the most south part of Sweden (Skane county) DNA relatives live and one ancestor was from.
My questions are:
Does here anyone know, if "Thybe" is a female scandinavian given name of the 19th century?
I can't speak danish, but I would like to get in contact with the registry office of government agency of "Amt Aalborg" or with denish genealogical groups. I would like to know, if there are maybe more informations like a marriage record, and more children between 1860 and 1870. Where could I find a emigration document?
I would like to know, if Johanna Thuval(d)sdotter was danish or swedish and who were her parents.
I don't know, if Johann Daniel Gerike was danish or german, but if he was german, did at that time "immigration documents" exist?
If anyone could please help me, let it me know, thank you very much.
Attached all documents, I have.
Best regards from Berlin, Germany,
Randolf Holstein
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@RandolfHolstein, Danish church records are available online; some are indexed, but I like to go straight to the Danish National Archives website Arkivalieronline (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/geo/geo-collection/5), type the parish name into the "Arkiv" box, select it from the drop-down list, then click on one of the books and browse the records--note that there are often births (F), confirmations (K), marriages (V), deaths (D), indexes (J; usually they're not helpful/complete, though), parish arrival lists (T), and parish departure lists (A). In some of the later scans, the images are split up by Fødte (born), Konfirmerede (confirmed), Døde (dead), Viede (married), Til- og afgangslister (arrival and departure lists), Kvinder (women), and Mænd (men).
At Arkivalieronline, I looked for the records you found; it turns out they are not from the Brorstrup parish, but from the Haverslev parish--listed on the website above as "Haverslev Sogn (Ålborg Amt)"; see the following links:
- daughter Johanne Marie Kristine Jerike *03. aug 1861 in Haverslev, Ålborg (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21584188#359504,70506122) = daughter of Johanne Thybe Elsen, age 24 [i.e., born about 1837], and Daniel Jerike, both of Nørlund farm; note in the far right column, it says that the mother's name is Johanna Tufvaddatter and the father's name is Johan Daniel Gerike--so Thybe is not actually part of the mother's name after all (and it's not a name I've ever seen before, so I think the priest had just misheard the name when he wrote it down the first time)
- daughter Catherine Friederike Gerike *21.mar 1869 in Haverslev, Ålborg (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21584188#359504,70506129) = daughter of Johan Daniel Gerike and his wife Hanne Tufvadsdatter of Grøftager, age 32 3/4 [i.e., born about 1837]
The child born in 1861 is illegitimate, as indicated by her mother being listed first and her father being listed as "Barnefad[er]" (child's father) rather than the child's mother being listed as his wife. The child in 1869 is legitimate, so Johan Daniel Gerike and Johanna Tufvaddatter/Tufvadsdatter were married sometime between 1861 and 1869. Browsing through the baptismal records, I found no additional children of the couple 1860-1870. I also did not find a marriage of the couple in the Haderslev parish, so they must have been married elsewhere, likely nearby--which means they may also have had children baptized elsewhere/nearby. You could browse parish records from parishes nearby (Haverslev is near the lower middle of the Ålborg county, and it is in white at the map at https://www.dis-danmark.dk/kipkort/kort/albo1870.gif).
I see in the parish departure list attached to your Ancestry tree (https://www.ancestry.com/mediaui-viewer/tree/176815489/person/292300839731/media/a6a1bb1b-8d22-49cd-b074-fea9bc473fd6) that the family includes a couple of additional children born before they moved. I checked, but the departure list is not from the Brorstrup parish and the Haverslev parish departure lists online end in 1861. The picture on Ancestry is a bit blurry, but I was able to make out a place from the far right column, where it generally lists where a family is moving from--and next to the Gerike family, it says they are moving to Perleberg, Prussia, and to [should be "from"] Conradsminde; Conradsminde is a place in the Ravnkilde parish in Ålborg (see https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Ravnkilde_Parish,_%C3%85lborg,_Denmark_Genealogy), which is right next to Haverslev parish.
I then found the departure list in the Ravnkilde parish: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21584422#359488,70505866 Note that their first child is listed as August Frederik Vilhelm Koch, age 14 (born about 1855); since the next child, born 1861, was illegitimate, he is also either illegitimate or from a previous marriage--and since his surname is written as Koch, that's likely his biological father's surname.
I don't see the other children's baptisms or the marriage in the Ravnkilde parish, though, so those events likely took place in a nearby parish (or in multiple nearby parishes), just like the two baptisms in the neighboring parish of Haverslev. The family also did not show up in a search of the 1860 Danish census, which is fully indexed at danishfamilysearch.com.
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