Can't read bride's father's name on a marriage record.

KathyLove3

Third entry on the left. I can read the groom's father's name, Anders Pedersen Qvale, which beautifully, conclusively matches the person. Ann Olsdr Sleveland - father Ole .... SlevelandCan any other details be made out?

Thank you - you are so helpful.

 

https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/60606/images/kb20070618630647?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=iWu1&_phstart=successSource&pId=19344182&lang=en-US

Judith Clancy Dalebout

Looks like Olofsson

Gordon Collett

Careful! This document does not list the father of the bride and groom. Looking at the top of the column, you will see it is listing the Forloverne, variously translated as groomsman, bridesman, witnesses, best men. These could be brothers, uncles, friends, or neighbors. I don't know how often, if ever, a father would take on this roll.

 

I do agree that the two names are Anders Pederssen Qvale and Ole Olofssen Sleveland, but you cannot assume any type of family relationship from this record. Even if you know that an Anders Pedersen Qvale is the groom Anders' father, you have nothing here to tell you that the Anders Pedersen Qvale who is the forlover is the same person. He might be a cousin or may not be related at all.

 

Likewise Anna Olsdatter Sleveland, the bride, and Ole Olssen Sleveland, the forlover, could be sister and brother rather than daughter and father, have some other relationship, or not related at all.

KathyLove3

Thank you for the warning! I was assuming too much. This woman has been given five different husbands and a few fathers, been given sources for Anne Olsdatters in three counties. It was real progress to find the film of the marriage record.

Gordon Collett

In other words, at some point in FamilyTree or in earlier databases, various people have confused and likely merged several different Anne Olsdatters. Sounds like you have quite a tangle to undo.

 

Other important information in this marriage record:

 

It is the first marriage for both Anders and Anne.

 

Anders is 24 so born about 1798. I can’t tell if his residence is given or not.

 

Anne is 25 so born about 1797. and living at Sleveland. Based on her single status and age, she was likely born there, also.

 

Part of the entry under their names just says they had natural smallpox.

 

So they both will be in the 1801 census and are young enough they might both still be alive in the 1865 census.

 

Here they are in the 1865 census at Qvale: 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01038200001747

 

This raises the possibility that Anders was indeed born at Qvale and definitely implies that Anne Olsdatter was born in Helleland, lived there her entire life, was only married once, and died there and that the information in FamilyTree that says otherwise all has to be cleaned up.

 

It would be kind of you to assume that the five other men showing as husbands to Anne Olsdatter were actually married to other Anne Olsdatters and try to restore their wives to them.

 

Another piece of information that this census implies, and maybe you already know this, is that since farms tended to stay in the family, the Brita Andersdatter, the wife of the head of household, might be Anders and Anne’s daughter. If so, that would all have to be documented.

 

There are only two Anders Andersson born in the 1790s listed in Helleland in the 1801 census. One of them lives at Qvale so is almost certain to be the Anders in the marriage record and his father is, in fact, Anders Pedersson Qvale:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01058349000662

 

There are three Anne Olsdatter born in the 1790s listed in Helland in the 1801 census. Two of them, sisters ages 11 and 5, live at Sleveland. Based on the age in the marriage record, that Anne is most likely the 5 year old. Her father is Ole Andersson, so the second forlover is not her father.

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01058349000786

 

KathyLove3

Thank you for the 1865 link. I was just this morning looking at the 1801 census, Ole Andersen at Sleveland.

Yes, I have taken Anne up as a project. One of the husbands is my 3x ggrandfather Andreas Amundsen - I found his real wife, Anne Pernille Olsdatter in Nordland, reattached nine children.

 

Andris Andresen Qvale, who I am regarding as the real husband, was mistakenly merged a couple years ago into a man with a different name. Connection lost. Restored, a lot of information found.

 

I started searching my tree with my Iowa farmer ancestors. It is documented in their county how the census taker rode about in a pattern. The names on a page reflect the farms being "next door" to each other in reality. Does this hold true in Norway?

Ole Andersen is on image 11 of the 1801 census. Andres Pedersen Qvaale is on page 10.

 

Thanks again.

Gordon Collett

Here is the marriage record for Anders Olsson and Brita Andersdatter:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/327/pv00000000175677

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051208030274

 

The vaccination date for Brita confirms she was born before Aug 1825 and her age gives a calculated birth year of 1825.

 

This search will bring you to Brita (whose birth was recorded twice) and her two siblings:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/search/76/15773?forenamn=and*&etternamn=and*&kjonn=&rolle=far&stilling_stand=&bustad=qv*|qu*&fodestad=&fodselsaar=&fodselsdato=&aar=&dpdato=&stadfesta=&sokn_kyrkje=&ekte_uekte=&vigd=&introd=&dpstad=&merknader=

 

You can use the information on the page to get to the actual birth records.

 

Hope this helps in sorting out your family. I just wanted to check my theory about the information in the 1865 census.

Gordon Collett

Take the census records and take a map of Norway and you will see that the census takers generally just followed the road from farm to farm. So if two farms are next to each other in the census they are usually right next to each other on the map. However, in some parts of Norway, right next two each other could be several miles, across the fjord, or even on the next island.

Gordon Collett

Here is a screen shot of a map that shows both Sleveland and Kvåle. They are about 2 km apart.

 

Here is a link that shows Sleveland if you would like to check out a few more place names in Helleland parish:

 

https://www.norgeskart.no/#!?project=norgeskart&layers=1002&zoom=13&lat=6520562.57&lon=-20881.86&markerLat=6520562.574758536&markerLon=-20881.860336936137&panel=search