Hello, will you please translate item 85, for Maria Velecz? thank you.
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85. Born 29, baptised 30 October 1894.
Mária, female, legitimate
Parents: János Petro RC smallholder, Zsuzsanna Berta RC
Residence: Visnyó 52
Godparents: János Karecskó RC smallholder, Erzsa Iváncsó RC
Officiant: János Zselinszky assistant pastor
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Thanks Julia
I'm looking for a Maria that was Pal Jakobs wife and/or daughter who is also named Maria. Once they arrive in Pennsylvania (May 6, 1896) and travel up to Buffalo I can't locate the family again. The brother-in-law could be my GGrandfather John, or a brother of Maria's ????? Looking for either a marriage record or baptistm record. Any suggestions as to where to look? thanks
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Here's the manifest to go with that index card; he's on line 20:
(The manifest wasn't coming up in searches because the given name was misindexed as Tal. I've submitted a correction.)
Last residence is Lovászpatona, which is in Veszprém county (basically the northern shore of Lake Balaton and the hills north of it). The brother-in-law is named Vendel Nagy, not János/John anything.
Veszprém is far enough from Gálszécs that I'm highly doubtful this is anything more than a name coincidence, but stranger things have happened. (Franz Liszt's grandmother was born in Bavaria, got married in a town north of Vienna, and lived and died in a different town in Austria.)
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Thanks, Julia
Hmmm, there's story about my GGmother and her brother and that's all I'll say. I will contiue to look, and see if I can't find another Pal Jakab closer to Galszecs. The surname Nagy, is not a first, again Anna Hromylak married a John Nagy from Nyirbakta. She was born in Lekart, Ung Co, from my GGfather's first marriage.
Was it common to move around, or just stay in your parish?
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Mobility depends on profession, mostly. Shepherds can be notably hard to track. So can tobacco-farmers; they often had short-term contracts to farm a particular plot, and then moved on. (Tobacco is notoriously hard on the soil.) Strangely (to my thinking), another mobile group is millers.
Smallholders -- anyone who actually owned some land, however little -- tended to stay put, since you can't just roll up your land and take it with you. Tenant farmers also didn't move much; I get the impression that tenancy was kind of like professorial tenure -- once you got it, you had it for life (barring catastrophe or gross negligence).
Nagy ("big, elder") is a top-five most common surname in Hungary. Every town and nearly every village had at least one family by this name. Jakab/Jakob is not quite as common, but still ubiquitous, like most unmarked patronymic surnames (ones that are identical to the given name of some ancestor). (Where English likes "Jacobson" or "Jacobs", Hungarian mostly goes for plain old "Jacob".)
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Julia,
Thanks for the history lesson, must helpful. Well, that makes sense. I did uncover that George Uhrin thru his father had a couple of parcels of land in Vola. I found all the info from the portal, just not sure what to do with it. Its not in English, of course.
I believe that I might have just found what I was looking for. Can you please translate item 52, for a Janos Jakab?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRQ1-9M3V?i=254&cc=1554443&cat=752011
Also, look at his entry Line 70, 1882 Dec 13
Jakab / Tomko
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9R7M-27C?i=388
thank you
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1889
52. Born 9th, baptised 11th July
János, male, illegitimate
Parents: Mária Jakub, servant, Rom. Cath.
Residence: Gálszécs
Godparents: József Hronsy(?), servant, Rom. Cath., Anna Busa, Gr. Cath.
Officiant: Valér. Czifrák assistant pastor
1882
70. December 13.
Deceased: János Jakab, smith, husband of Mária Tomko
Residence and birthplace: Bacsko
male, age 44 years
Cause: crushed skull
Last rites: not provided
Burial: Bacskó, Dec. 14
Officiant: János Gáy, chaplain
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Julia, WOW this certainly sheds a new light on all the different puzzle pieces. I was kinda hoping that the father would be listed, even tho I knew better.
Crushed skull, I can't even image. So, Maria Tomko is still living at the time of her husbands death?
I know what the word "servant" means, but how does that word relate within the family?
Also, is Bacsko in Hungary, Zemplen ?
Thank you so much!!
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Yes, Maria is implied to have survived her spouse.
"Servant" is their occupation/employment. The word doesn't specify what sort of servant; it could mean anything from housemaid or groom to salesclerk or farmhand.
Heh, this is fun: in Zemplén county, Dvorzsák's gazetteer lists both a Bacska, alternate name Bacskó, and a Bacskó, alternate name Bacska. The latter is the one that's near Gálszécs; it had a Greek Catholic church locally, while Roman Catholics were recorded in Gálszécs. It's now Bačkov, Slovakia.
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Julia, how overwhelming and where to go next with all this new information...........
Thank you so much for all your help.
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