Is it possible to get information to answer my questions or should I give up?
Good Morning,
I've been researching my ancestors for two years.
I have managed to find a lot of information but there are many questions that I have not yet been able to answer.
If you help me with information I would appreciate it:
Is there a record or database of boats that departed from Bakar, Croatian?
Is there a registry or database to know the people who participated in the First World War?
Is there a registry or database to see the entries and exits of Croatia?
I would like to know exactly who my great-great-grandfather was, to know what he did, to know what languages he spoke, to know why he came to Uruguay, to know if he participated in the First World War, to know the reason for his death and to know where he is buried, even I would like to be able to see a photograph.
The only thing I have found of him was his marriage certificate from the civil and church registry, his children's birth certificates, and his birth certificate. There are still many questions that need answers.
He's the number 125: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-899X-L6VW?i=317&cc=2040054&cat=680680
Maybe if I find the birth certificates of his parents, maybe I can get more information.
답변들
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Are you a direct male descendant? If so, consider doing Y-DNA at FTDNA when it goes on sale for Black Friday. It's normally close to $200 but goes on sale for $99. If you're not a direct male descendant, do you have an uncle or male cousin that is that would be willing to do the Y-DNA?
I did my uncle's (dad's brother) Y-DNA, unfortunately he didn't have any matches with our very common Hungarian last name so I'm not sure what happened to cause that. None of his matches even shared the same last name. Some people bust thru brick walls with Y-DNA.
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I can only find departures from Trieste, Austria as the port of departure with detailed info from 1912 on. I would write the archives and ask them. https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Croatia_Archives_and_Libraries.
Betseylee Browning
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There are some websites listed in this article: https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Croatia_Compiled_Genealogies
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Well, we know his father was a farmer from the birth record you linked, so that sometimes shows long term existence in a location. Also, with Bakar being so close to Rijeka (then called Fiume), that was likely the departure port. With both parents listed having Croatian names, it is likely that your g-g grandfather spoke it at home, but he may have also spoken Hungarian due to the Magyarization policies of the late 19th centuries. Additionally being close to then Fiume, it is likely he knew some Italian.
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Hi Najesen,
Thanks for the information. My great-great grandfather stated on his marriage certificate that his father was dead. The date of the marriage certificate is January 28, 1905. A year later, when this person had his son (my great-grandfather), the child's birth certificate shows that his father (my great-great-grandfather's father) was 70 years old old. The date of the birth certificate is December 31, 1906.
However, my great-great-grandfather did not appear at the Civil Registry because he was traveling (only his wife did). So I don't know if the stated age of my great-great-grandfather's father is correct.
Here we can get more information:
- My great-great-grandfather was not in Uruguay on December 31, 1906. Will it be possible to search for records in the port you mention?
- My great-great-grandfather's father was dead in 1905, will it be possible to find a death record in familysearch? Or, perhaps, assuming the age stated in 1906 is correct, can we find his birth certificate? Let's assume he was born in Bakar
P.S: It is very difficult to explain this in English for me.
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I'm a bit confused, what email address should I write to? Which country does the email address belong to? The records are not public?
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I think that if my great-great-grandfather's father was born on the same site as him, his birth should be registered here: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-899F-9JZX?i= 500 & wc = 9R26-HZC% 3A391644801% 2C392346801% 2C392347101 & cc = 2040054
Approximate date of birth: 1836
Name: Thomas Sepic
It's hard for me to understand those lyrics, if you can help me I would appreciate it a lot.
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I looked at the records you mentioned and SEPICH family is mentioned a lot in these records. I looked in images 492-546 and did not see Thomas. I would suggest that you repeat my search in case I missed his record. I did find about 15 christenings that either the father or mother was a Sepich within those images. It covered 1834-1838. I am including an example so you can see how the records are set up. The photo I attached is not your Thomas but an example. The child's name is mentioned first and the surname is lightly underlined. The mother's maiden name is also mentioned. So these are very easy records to search. I would recommended looking at more images for earlier and later years. If he does not show up in these records at all I would try to find his marriage or death record. Eventually you might have to do a radius search in surrounding parishes. Let me know if you have any questions.
Betseylee Browning
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Do you have parents or siblings names of your 2nd great grandfather? Can you please post a copy of the marriage certificate you mention.
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I appreciate very much that you have searched and explained the format of the baptism records to me.
definitely the last name "Sepich" is from that town, although I don't know anything, once someone told me that the SEPICH have a coat of arms. If you understand Croatian I can send you a screenshot.
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I don't understand what you mean by "2nd great grandfather", I don't speak English well.
Of course, I will leave a copy of the marriage certificate here. Do you know Spanish? I'll put the interesting part down here:
"Don Andrés Sepich de estado casado, de profesión Marino, de nacionalidad austriaco, nacido el día treinta y uno de diciembre del mil ochocientos sesenta y ocho en Buccari, Austria.
Hijo de don Tomás Sepich, fallecido en Buccari Austria, se ignora la fecha, y de doña Maria Malvich, de estado Viuda, de profesión labores de su sexo, de nacionalidad austriaca, domiciliada y residente en Buccari Austria."
According to my research, my great-great-grandfather had at least 2 children in Uruguay. One of them is my great-grandfather, in my great-grandfather's birth certificate it says that my great-great-grandfather's father is deceased but he was 70 years old. Do you want this document too?
Thanks for everything.
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Generally, I care nothing about a coat of arms. I doubt your family had one, as it does not look like your family had any wealth. I would do a search for Thomas from 1830 to 1845 at least. Do you have any additional information about your great great grandfather (also known as 2nd great grandfather) such as parents or siblings.
Betseylee
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All I know is the names of the parents and the approximate age, that is, the approximate year of birth. I don't know if my great-great-grandfather had siblings or not.
Finding a marriage certificate without knowing what date they got married is very difficult, I guess finding a birth or death certificate would be easier. (I mean my great-great-grandfather's father).
Information from 01/28/1905 (Marriage certificate from the civil registry):
- My great-great-grandfather's father was dead
- My great-great-grandfather's mother was alive.
Information from 12/31/1906(Birth certificate of my great-grandfather, my great-great-grandfather did not show up.):
- It is mentioned that my great-great-grandfather's father is 70 years old, is a marine by profession and lives in Austria.
- It is mentioned that my great-great-grandfather's mother is 64 years old and lives in Austria.
Personally, I think that the information on my great-grandfather's birth certificate is unreliable because my great-great-grandfather did not show up, that is, the information that appears there is information that my great-great-grandmother gave.
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By the way, once I found the marriage certificate of my great- great-grandparents through the church, that is, the one that I have read and sent to you is from the Civil Registry. I have also found the one for the Church, but I can't understand what it says, maybe you understand those lyrics
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The records of Croatians who served in the First World War were unfortunately like many records from the region, burned from the bombing of Austria during the Second World War. That doesn't mean it is impossible to find what you are looking for. Try www.mapire.eu to look up the original village and several iterations of that village and its hamlets.
I looked up your surname at ActaCroatica and this is what pulled up: https://actacroatica.com/en/surname/Sepich/
Use that information to look at the mapire, where they probably came from for a few hundred years, and I feel like you will find something!
My blog is here: bigbalkanfam.blogspot.com, and you can message me here as well.
I would also try talking to Lidija Sambunjak: https://www.apgen.org/users/lidija-sambunjak
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His name was probably Tomo. Just sayin' Thomas is not the exact name you are looking for, but Tomo is probably what you are looking for.
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If you ever get the chance, go to Rijeka (Fiume). It is a great city. The Nadbiskup or Archbishopric (arzobispado) is in that city, and the archives are super cool. https://www.riarhiv.hr/english.html
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Yes, I have already decided to go to Croatia. I hope the opportunity will come soon. For me it is relatively easy to go because I live in Spain.
I would like to know the San Andrés de Bakar Church, to know that city would be my dream come true, and, furthermore, I would like to locate its old house. My great-great-grandfather's birth certificate says his house number (Jelovka 18), do you think it is possible to find his old house? Is it possible to find a detailed map of Jelovka from the year 1860-1880?
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Look closer, you will find something!
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@Logan Bolan
Thanks for all your messages. Also thank you for recommending me to speak with that lady. How much do you think her services could cost me? At the moment I do not need to know this information (I mean that it is not something that urges me), so paying is not in my options, but I really appreciate that you have recommended this person to me.
Regarding the name of my great-great-grandfather ... my great-great-grandfather's marriage certificate says "Tomas", but it is very possible that the name is as you have said it (in Latin or Croatian).
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To what administration, entity, institution, town hall or whatever, should I write to get a map from 150 years ago of a settlement near Bakar? (Jelovka)
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