Can someone please tell me what lines 2,3 4 & 5 say. thank you
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Here is my opinion. I am not sure on the surname. The index states Uhrin.
2 Gyorgyne Female Last residence Laboroz or Laborcz? Could this be Laborcfő or Laborcrév,
They can't make up their minds if the children were born in Hungary or US. They have written both but Hungary has a line that leads you to the word Hungary.
3 Gyorgy Male
4 Anna Female
5 Maria Female
The husband is listed in the column stating the relative in column 16. Maybe G. Uhrin, 115 Wilson St., Chester, PA. Looks like the mother has been in the US in 1885. I cannot make out the place next to 1885. Try to find the passenger list in 1885.
What names are you searching for?
Betseylee Browning
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2. Uhrin Györgyne [Mrs. George Uhrin], age 39, female, married, calling or occupation none, cannot read or write, nationality Hungary, race or people Slovak, last residence Hungary Laborcz, destination Chester Pa, has ticket to destination, passage paid by self, money in possession $35, in US before, 1885/96, Phoenixv., destination contact husb. G. Uhran, 115 Wilson St Chester Pa
3. György, 11 years, male, single, ditto ..., nationality US born, ditto ..., passage paid by mother, destination father
4. Anna, 9 years, female, ditto ..., nationality Hung, race Slovak, ditto ...
5. Maria, 6 years, ditto.
My interpretation is that the son George was born in the US, likely in Phoenixville PA, but his sisters were born back in Zemplén county, Hungary. (There were half a dozen places in Laborcz- there: Laborczbér, Laborczfalva (formerly Laborczvolya), Laborczfő,
Laborczmező, Laborczradvány, Laborczrév.)
(It should perhaps be pointed out that Phoenixville is in Chester county. The city of Chester is in Delaware county, but West Chester is the county seat for Chester county.)
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Thank you so much !!
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Thank you so much, and I think I just might have found what I am looking for. Just not sure and I will need to dig alittle deeper tho. George Uhrin was from Laboreczvolya. Yes, young George was born in the US. Anna and Maria I have seen either PA or Austria. I just don't understand all this going back and forth.
What does 1885/96 mean? Duh, George DOB is July 4, 1894
I have George coming over in 1899 on the Philadelphia Passenger joining his brother-in-law John Mikita, yet I cannot find a marriage record nor DOB for either Anna or Maria. I do have one for young George showing South Chester, PA.
Not sure if they were married in PA, and the girls were born in US or were they married over in Hungary and the girls were born there? ???
Line 25
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/8769/images/PAT840_29-0494?pId=361781
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I believe the family came in 1885. Column is if they were ever in the US before. No idea what 96 means. Maybe it is connected to Phoenixville. The wife must be homesick for her family.
Betseylee
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I interpret 1885/96 as meaning she was in the US previously between those dates.
The 1899 arrival also says Phoenixville (which was a mill town, so likely offered lots of unskilled employment); I think it says 1890/6 above it, which I would again interpret as a year range.
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What does George Jr's birth record say for Mrs. Uhrin's name?
If she's Mary, then this is possibly their daughter Anna's baptism (first line): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XH1C-5Q9?i=308
And daughter Maria's (number 26): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XH1C-P1W?i=318&cc=1554443
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Julia & Betseylee ~
Thank you both for your input on my latest find. The puzzle is ever growing and it doesn't help that all the names are very common in that village during that time period. ie - Like two Georges at the same time but with different DOB.
I looked at my fathers Death Cerificate, and his mother Mary has her birthplace listed as Austria, as well as her first child Andrew born in 1918 in PA.
Young George - DOB July 4, 1894 places him in the right place of Chester PA. Confirmed by his Military records when in died in the war over in France, and being sent back to his father.
Anna - DOB - March 22,1898
Maria - DOB - Nov 4, 1900
The 1910 Census places all of them in Bethlehem, PA. The parents having been in the USA 23 years.
By the time the mother passed under the name Uhrin, the name had changed to Ohren.
On the Philadelphia Passenger Arrival 1899 - George is shown going to join this brother-in-law John Mikita.
Maria Terez Mikita (RC - Kosice ??) is his sister, and that is who I have been researching as the mother of all three children. Death of Mrs. Mary Ohren was May 29, 1911 in South Bethelhem, PA Even on her Death Certificate it has Mrs. Mary Ohren and found by her son. I have yet to find a marriage record for George or Maria and whenever I find a record it is either Uhrin or Ohren..
I will also share with you the incredible find of the house from the 1869 Census #25, and its still intact and is now a business. Totally surprised to find it on google.
So, even tho my grandfather was from Laborczvolva, his wife Mary could have come from another area? ???
I still have alot more to do, and so appreciate all the time, effort and patience with helping me along. Thank you.
I have found that a second pair of eyes is most helpful, so please let me know if I have missed anything.
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Austria as a truncation of Austria-Hungary is a ubiquitous error in American records. Given that Austria-Hungary covered very nearly half a continent, neither label really does much to narrow down a location.
What is your source for Anna's and Maria's (the daughters') birthdates? The births I found in Laborczvolya don't match those dates, but they do match the ages given on the 1910 census.
The two baptisms also don't have a mother named Mikita... Did George have a sister who could've been married to John Mikita? It's annoying that the only thing we know about Mrs. Uhrin is that she's Mary.... (If she was going to be this coy about her maiden name, she could've at least done her descendants the favor of being Gertrude or Clothilde.😁)
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Yes, that would have been nice. lol Here is where I found those dates for the girls.
I did find an ANNA UHRIN, by the same parents with a DOB of March 30, 1863, but she does not show up on the 1869 Census with George and his two other brothers, Janos & Mihaly.
I wonder if there is another George Uhrin with a March 30, 1872 in the village?
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Could you please translate. I'm thinking that maybe its not indexed correctly as to the correct spelling of the mothers name? Its the last item on the page for George Uhrin. thank you.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XH1C-52J?i=22&cc=1554443
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I think the mother's name starts with Sz (not least because there's no such name as how it was indexed), but the writing is atrociously sloppy.
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That's what I thought too - the location is Vola #25, correct ? If so, then her name is Anna Sztaruch, which will then match with the 1869 Census of Laborczvolya, House #25.
thank you for taking another look.
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